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    • Fftec Motorsports N54 twin scroll top mount turbo manifold kit, $4950 - Too pricey?

      The N54 inline-6 turbo upgrade era is really now blossoming from stock housing options to a variety of aftermarket manifold and turbo solutions. Fftech originally worked on a bottom mount turbo manifold but it seems they have abandoned that setup in favor of a top mount turbo manifold now. This 'kit' includes everything you need to install an aftermarket turbo setup at $4950 but does not include an upgraded turbo making for a pricey manifold option.

      Fftec deserves whatever the market is willing to pay and there are not exactly a plethora of top mount off the shelf manifold options in the N54 world at this time. Will it sell? Absolutely.

      Why a top mount? Speculation by BimmerBoost members is that the bottom mount manifold required too much modification to the frame of the vehicle to fit. As a reminder, BimmerBoost vendors do have working bottom mount solutions for those not interested in a top mount for whatever reason (sleeper, heat in the engine bay, etc.).

      Picture and pricing info below.




      Included in this Kit:

      FFTEC Twin Scroll Top Mount Exhaust Manifold
      FFTEC Top Mount Downpipe
      FFTEC Lower Intercooler Pipe
      FFTEC CNC Coolant Pipe
      FFTEC Oil Feed and Drain Lines
      FFTEC Swirl Pot
      FFTEC Boost Control Solenoid
      FFTEC Valve Cover Heat Shield
      This article was originally published in forum thread: FFTEC Top mount twin scroll kit started by bmw335iguy View original post
      Comments 265 Comments
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        I've shared my thoughts on the FFTEC pricing (and other concerns) before but I recently weighed the options and had a change of heart. At this stage in the game someone who wants to make 700rw has few options. Wait around for a less expensive kit to come to market. Go with a home-made kit. Or pony up a little extra money for a very clean setup that is 100% going to fit and perform as expected. Maybe it's 2k more than I'd like it to be but honestly it's just a drop in the bucket for most of us who are at this power level. We'll all be spending $6-10k+ on motors anyway sooner or later. Click here to enlarge

        We're doing the 6466 kit on the E92 and maybe we'll throw this top mount kit on our 135i so I can compare them. CPE is also getting close with their twin turbo kit so I'll probably have to go buy another N54 for that one. I've been thinking an Xi would be fun. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        We'll see what happens to pricing when more people enter the market. I don't have a problem with it as it is what it is right now.

        When CP-E enters we will see adjustment. Once they do even more manifold options will show up. Then of course people will knock off options. Prices will fall further. It's just how it goes.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        I agree but lets get real here. A twin turbo setup w/ cast manifolds, etc, is going to be a very sweet setup. Vargas' setup looks nice too for a fabricated twin. But neither is really going to be comparable to the FFTEC pricing or install process. And demand for kits is only going to go up as the cars get older. I also think there is room for prices to come down on the single kits once they pick one design and push forward with it with a higher volume of cars.
      1. rdeterman's Avatar
        rdeterman -
        IMO... single turbos will dominate the market for high hp setups.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        I agree but lets get real here. A twin turbo setup w/ cast manifolds, etc, is going to be a very sweet setup. Vargas' setup looks nice too for a fabricated twin. But neither is really going to be comparable to the FFTEC pricing or install process. And demand for kits is only going to go up as the cars get older. I also think there is room for prices to come down on the single kits once they pick one design and push forward with it with a higher volume of cars.
        It will ultimately come down to what one wants to spend as different options will cater to different price points. The install has to be factored in as well.

        Regardless, it's a win for BimmerBoost as more people discuss these options and apply them.
      1. rdeterman's Avatar
        rdeterman -
        5k for a manifold is still to much. Im ready to buy a single turbo kit shortly but 5k for a manifold and 7k for a setup is just too much. Unless this hardware is going to support 1000whp or something crazy its to much. Honestly 500-600whp for 5k would be reasonable and maybe a bit more for 600whp-700whp. We are all on the same team im not trying to devalue FFTEC's product but whoever comes out with a reasonably prices ST setup will clean house. Leave the tuners out of it the hardware is whats important. The tuners will adapt to the kits and make it work, within reason.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        What happened to N54 guys saying what a value their platform is?
      1. rdeterman's Avatar
        rdeterman -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What happened to N54 guys saying what a value their platform is?
        Value compared to what?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rdeterman Click here to enlarge
        Value compared to what?
        Anything. But mostly in the BMW realm.

        Things add up fast don't they? By the time you buy this kit, add a turbo, get it installed, get it tuned, you're at what? An M3 SC kit?
      1. rdeterman's Avatar
        rdeterman -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Anything. But mostly in the BMW realm.

        Things add up fast don't they? By the time you buy this kit, add a turbo, get it installed, get it tuned, you're at what? An M3 SC kit?
        This is not a N54 vs M3 SC war. They are two completely different cars.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Anything. But mostly in the BMW realm.

        Things add up fast don't they? By the time you buy this kit, add a turbo, get it installed, get it tuned, you're at what? An M3 SC kit?
        Maybe but the N54 w/ larger turbos hold their own against supercharged M3s just fine. Click here to enlarge
      1. sammy_0559's Avatar
        sammy_0559 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        I've shared my thoughts on the FFTEC pricing (and other concerns) before but I recently weighed the options and had a change of heart. At this stage in the game someone who wants to make 700rw has few options. Wait around for a less expensive kit to come to market. Go with a home-made kit. Or pony up a little extra money for a very clean setup that is 100% going to fit and perform as expected. Maybe it's 2k more than I'd like it to be but honestly it's just a drop in the bucket for most of us who are at this power level. We'll all be spending $6-10k+ on motors anyway sooner or later. Click here to enlarge

        We're doing the 6466 kit on the E92 and maybe we'll throw this top mount kit on our 135i so I can compare them. CPE is also getting close with their twin turbo kit so I'll probably have to go buy another N54 for that one. I've been thinking an Xi would be fun. Click here to enlarge
        Fitment was not guaranteed, for 135i, send them your car have them test fit for me Click here to enlarge

        and the price 4950$ from what i understand its some sort of intro pricing. after 5 kits. price is going up.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rdeterman Click here to enlarge
        This is not a N54 vs M3 SC war. They are two completely different cars.
        Sure isn't but and they sure are but it's funny to me at least when I see the value argument used time and time again appear to not be so strong.

        Regardless, my argument is always pay to play and that applies here.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Maybe but the N54 w/ larger turbos hold their own against supercharged M3s just fine. Click here to enlarge
        Not really but not the place for this discussion.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sammy_0559 Click here to enlarge
        Fitment was not guaranteed, for 135i, send them your car have them test fit for me Click here to enlarge

        and the price 4950$ from what i understand its some sort of intro pricing. after 5 kits. price is going up.
        That is what it says on the pricing info they sent me. Intro pricing. So it gets even higher? How much higher?
      1. sammy_0559's Avatar
        sammy_0559 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That is what it says on the pricing info they sent me. Intro pricing. So it gets even higher? How much higher?
        wish i knew. I'm guessing maybe north of 1k.. so 6k for the manifold... thats just based off what tony did with vtx-3's.. but I'm just as clueless as you are.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Is anyone really going to pay more than $4950? So let's even just go with your guess and then $5950 + turbo + tax = ?
      1. sammy_0559's Avatar
        sammy_0559 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Is anyone really going to pay more than $4950? So let's even just go with your guess and then $5950 + turbo + tax = ?
        = bend over for bmw tax Click here to enlarge

        sad thing is i would spend that much on a kit ...with the available options... realistically big power on an N54 from a company making a kit out the door.. will be in the 8k range.

        also people like me working out of a shop are lucky lol i do my own labor.

        others have to factor in labor, so ~$10k to get where you need to be.. fak
      1. Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
        Tony@VargasTurboTech -
        I personally do not think that price is out of bounds, 5K, spend what you wish on a turbo, install and go. After intro pricing its going to be at least $5500, still not terrible. There are a lot of options coming now, stage 3 is almost there, we are working very closely with Doc Rac now on a lot of things, we have another kit in the works with them as well. All while trying to get these damn batch 2's shipped out. Not to mention we have other surprises in the works, oh and the N55...Click here to enlarge We are not ones to sit on our hands, more options the better, I personally think that set up is not the ideal set up. But I am biased. The CPE kit looks terrible in my opinion, Looks like they are running dual GT30XX, way too big. If they dropped them down to GT28XX then they are in the ball park, I would like to see a little more evidence then "I spoke to someone at CPE and they said its almost done" Didn't they post that like 2+ years ago, and that was it? Either way on all this stuff, its just going to get better for the N54 end user, once all these options are there.
      1. Dirty Dog's Avatar
        Dirty Dog -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not really but not the place for this discussion.
        REALLY......I see a N54 BMS ST (Terry) vs M3 SC (Sticky) in the near future. But we all know who will win that one.