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    • Video of BMW flogging the upcoming F22 M235 2-Series on the Nurburgring

      The upcoming F22 M235i is going to be a very desirable model from BMW. It will be more affordable than a 3-Series and lighter. It will come with a 6-speed manual. It will have the N55 turbocharged inline-6 powerplant which means easy tuning. It is essentially the return of the drivers BMW and the closest successor to the E82 1M (and thankfully not named as absurdly). It even looks great as it has been spotted basically undisguised.


      It is nice to see BMW doing hardcore track testing as limp mode issues due to the turbo powerplants are a big issue with the current iteration of BMW's. It is almost as if BMW forgot that real sustained driving performance is part of the Ultimate Driving Machine equation.

      Expect the F22 M235i to mirror the F20 M135i drivetrain. It is also reasonable to expect a powerkit for the car just like the F30 has available thanks to the optional M Performance Parts. That also likely means the M Performance optioned car will likely be the CLA45 AMG and Audi RS3 competitor rather than a from the ground up designed M2.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Video of BMW flogging the upcoming F22 M235 2-Seriesi on the Nurburgring started by Sticky View original post
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      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        oh there's going to be an RS3 as well?.. yeah then RS3 + A45 AMG put up a bit much competition for the M135i at that point is my guess

        will it be available stateside or another euro only?
        It's rumored to be stateside in 2015
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      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        The top pic is the concept, bottom is A render
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        They can but my point is what would it be? What else do you do? Take the M3 motor or create a new one?
        or, keep it an 1M/2M rather than M1/M2 with a standard motor a la E82 1M

        otherwise, yeah, putting the proper M3/M4 motor in the M1/M2 with all the bells and whistles, and it might not look good from their marketing standpoint :/
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        It's rumored to be stateside in 2015
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        Here: http://www.audiboost.com/content.php...cept-at-Geneva
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You haven't looked into the RS3? If it's like the concept it will be absurd...
        will do! i think i have a while ago.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        It's rumored to be stateside in 2015
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        bah, stupid RS3, keep it a mental hatch Click here to enlarge

        i really like it when they make stupid fast hatches lol
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        This car is great looking
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      1. KB's Avatar
        KB -
        http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...edrich-Nitchke


        The M boss states he wants to build an M2 in this interview and hints to no 4 cylinder M cars....at least in the near future.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
        http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...edrich-Nitchke


        The M boss states he wants to build an M2 in this interview and hints to no 4 cylinder M cars....at least in the near future.
        He also said he wants a new M1.
      1. rppwm3's Avatar
        rppwm3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        He also said he wants a new M1.
        Yes I am not sure if the direction M is taking has officially been mapped out yet. There is currently a move away from the mass market appeal strategy under Dr. Kay Segler that produced the current M5, M6, X5M and X6M, as profitable as those projects are. I am somewhat confident that a 4 cylinder turbo is being considered for the M2 but a final decision has yet to be made. A detuned S55 would be my favorite realistic option, however, I am still holding out hope for a NA straight six. In a car this light and low volume, I think it could meet emissions standards.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rppwm3 Click here to enlarge
        Yes I am not sure if the direction M is taking has officially been mapped out yet. There is currently a move away from the mass market appeal strategy under Dr. Kay Segler that produced the current M5, M6, X5M and X6M, as profitable as those projects are. I am somewhat confident that a 4 cylinder turbo is being considered for the M2 but a final decision has yet to be made. A detuned S55 would be my favorite realistic option, however, I am still holding out hope for a NA straight six. In a car this light and low volume, I think it could meet emissions standards.
        No chance of an NA straight six.

        Kay Segler got the boot pretty fast by the way, he was reassigned quicker than any head of M ever.
      1. rppwm3's Avatar
        rppwm3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No chance of an NA straight six.

        Kay Segler got the boot pretty fast by the way, he was reassigned quicker than any head of M ever.
        I am just holding out a last shred of hope at this point I'd be camped outside the dealership if they did an aluminum block straight 6. It could be done if BMW wanted to, I don't think they will though as they will want to promote their modular engine architecture. I am hoping to see most if not all of the new technology on the M3/M4 filter down to the M2 in terms of suspension, differential, transmission and hopefully hydraulic steering. Kay Segler had a vision for the M brand and BMW was behind him until they saw the results of his watered down M strategy that while successful at selling more cars, weakened the brand's image as a driver focused in house tuner. They are keeping part of it though with these new M435i/M235i cars but I think that is more in reaction to Audi's A/S/RS lineup and the overall market shift than anything else.It makes it easier for consumers who know nothing about BMW's to differentiate.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rppwm3 Click here to enlarge
        I am just holding out a last shred of hope at this point I'd be camped outside the dealership if they did an aluminum block straight 6. It could be done if BMW wanted to, I don't think they will though as they will want to promote their modular engine architecture. I am hoping to see most if not all of the new technology on the M3/M4 filter down to the M2 in terms of suspension, differential, transmission and hopefully hydraulic steering. Kay Segler had a vision for the M brand and BMW was behind him until they saw the results of his watered down M strategy that while successful at selling more cars, weakened the brand's image as a driver focused in house tuner. They are keeping part of it though with these new M435i/M235i cars but I think that is more in reaction to Audi's A/S/RS lineup and the overall market shift than anything else.It makes it easier for consumers who know nothing about BMW's to differentiate.
        I wonder if BMW really feels he weakened the M image. If they did, why do they continue to do so?
      1. rppwm3's Avatar
        rppwm3 -
        I think they feel they must segment the types of cars within each model the way Audi has done. You see this beginning with the M135i and a similar strategy with the way they have structured the packaging of the new 3 series. Individualization was decreased and model packages were substituted (Luxury/Sport/Msport). I think the more they can standardize production the larger profit margins they can achieve through economies of scale and scope when integrated across 1-4 models.
      1. maxnix's Avatar
        maxnix -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I mean what would it have? Different bodywork?
        DCT and detuned S55 along with full M4 suspension, brakes and drive train.

        M235i with 8AT reputedly faster than 1M around Nordschliefe.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxnix Click here to enlarge
        DCT and detuned S55 along with full M4 suspension, brakes and drive train.
        While we're dreaming how about a 4.4 liter S65 with a 9k redline and a sub 3000 pound curb weight?
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        I wouldn't be surprised at all to find a detuned s55 in the m2. The m235 will have a 330hp n55, what else will they put in the m2