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      The upcoming F22 M235i is going to be a very desirable model from BMW. It will be more affordable than a 3-Series and lighter. It will come with a 6-speed manual. It will have the N55 turbocharged inline-6 powerplant which means easy tuning. It is essentially the return of the drivers BMW and the closest successor to the E82 1M (and thankfully not named as absurdly). It even looks great as it has been spotted basically undisguised.


      It is nice to see BMW doing hardcore track testing as limp mode issues due to the turbo powerplants are a big issue with the current iteration of BMW's. It is almost as if BMW forgot that real sustained driving performance is part of the Ultimate Driving Machine equation.

      Expect the F22 M235i to mirror the F20 M135i drivetrain. It is also reasonable to expect a powerkit for the car just like the F30 has available thanks to the optional M Performance Parts. That also likely means the M Performance optioned car will likely be the CLA45 AMG and Audi RS3 competitor rather than a from the ground up designed M2.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Video of BMW flogging the upcoming F22 M235 2-Seriesi on the Nurburgring started by Sticky View original post
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      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        BMW will make a m2 or 2m, lol, i'm certain of it. M is for marketing right?Click here to enlarge They won't pass up the opportunity to get that clientele, otherwise the Audi, Merc, and caddy will take that segment.

        I'm hoping the m2 is my next car, and I could definitely see them putting a detuned s55 in there. I don't think they care about the aftermarket and would be dumb enough to change the tune on it and dumb it down in power. If the s55 only has 415-430 hp, it wouldn't be hard to make a 390 hp version of it. Lets hope they do bc i'll tune the $#@! out of it!
      1. KB's Avatar
        KB -
        They will call it M2. The only reason the 1M (which is really called 1 series M coupe) was called the 1M was because of the fabled BMW M1.
      1. KB's Avatar
        KB -
        As far as sharing motors....I think they should. Do 335 owners cry that 135 owners share the same motor for 10-20k less?
      1. spool twice's Avatar
        spool twice -
        Why is this thing in camo? We all know what it looks like with those pics leaked earlier this year
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        different bodywork, M4 suspension, lighter (a la M4 vs 435i)... brakes... i guess maybe an S-motor, or the 1/2er thing could be production motors with M everything else

        and keep it as 1M and 2M, not M1 and M2... a minor yet important distinction IMO

        that's the way to go i think... unless they really don't mind the baby m's being faster than the M3 hands down?


        identical suspension/width, less weight, less power (but who cares when you can tune it to 'too much' anyway.

        just do what they did with the 1M, but don't call it an M2.. call it a 2M! done.
        Sounds nice on paper but has BMW ever produced an M model when they already produce an Mxxx model? M135i, no M1 or 1M and the M135i is already close to what the 1M was specs wise.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
        As far as sharing motors....I think they should. Do 335 owners cry that 135 owners share the same motor for 10-20k less?
        That's different though, they aren't M cars.
      1. spool twice's Avatar
        spool twice -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sounds nice on paper but has BMW ever produced an M model when they already produce an Mxxx model? M135i, no M1 or 1M and the M135i is already close to what the 1M was specs wise.
        they have, but not in the USA (Canadian E34 M540i and E34 M5). M540i was basically a 6speed 4.0L w/ sport suspension + M-parallel wheels.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sounds nice on paper but has BMW ever produced an M model when they already produce an Mxxx model? M135i, no M1 or 1M and the M135i is already close to what the 1M was specs wise.
        i dunno, this is all new strategy from BMW at this point?

        they've never made an Mxxx model before have they?.. every other generation has had an M model.. oh yeah they have.. the M635csi.. yes there was also an M6 not longer after that (3 years?) and as above, the 5 series had the same treatment

        we may just have to wait a while?

        i wouldn't be angry about the 1/2 M's being Mxxx's with width+suspension+1.5way diff a la the 'real' m's.

        i don't think they have plans to offer the M135i with a factory LSD? where the M235i i believe will

        strange territory.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
        they have, but not in the USA (Canadian E34 M540i and E34 M5). M540i was basically a 6speed 4.0L w/ sport suspension + M-parallel wheels.
        Yes but that was also before the modern turbo engine part sharing and software swaps.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        i dunno, this is all new strategy from BMW at this point?

        they've never made an Mxxx model before have they?.. every other generation has had an M model.. oh yeah they have.. the M635csi.. yes there was also an M6 not longer after that (3 years?) and as above, the 5 series had the same treatment

        we may just have to wait a while?

        i wouldn't be angry about the 1/2 M's being Mxxx's with width+suspension+1.5way diff a la the 'real' m's.

        i don't think they have plans to offer the M135i with a factory LSD? where the M235i i believe will

        strange territory.
        It's all odd I just don't know where the M2 would slot or what it would have.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        i dunno, this is all new strategy from BMW at this point?

        they've never made an Mxxx model before have they?.. every other generation has had an M model.. oh yeah they have.. the M635csi.. yes there was also an M6 not longer after that (3 years?) and as above, the 5 series had the same treatment

        we may just have to wait a while?

        i wouldn't be angry about the 1/2 M's being Mxxx's with width+suspension+1.5way diff a la the 'real' m's.

        i don't think they have plans to offer the M135i with a factory LSD? where the M235i i believe will

        strange territory.
        They seem to be copying Audi...a3, a4, two door a5 ( like a 2 door a4)

        If you look how Audi has the s4, then rs4 , it seems like BMW is doing the same. M235.... M2? Maybe, maybe not
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's all odd I just don't know where the M2 would slot or what it would have.
        well if the diff optional in the 435i and 235i is 1way, a 1.5way... wider, suspension from the M4/M3

        at this point, going by your logic, what's the point of an M3/M4 if the 335i/435i basically have it covered other than width/minor suspension changes... well, and weight... and an 'actual' m-motor

        at this point, i'm pretty easily convinced they probably won't bother, as people would probably look at the 135i/235i and go 'ok why would i spend more'

        OTOH, the 1M sold out without a single worry, and all it was was a 135i with m suspension, LSD and wide...
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        They seem to be copying Audi...a3, a4, two door a5 ( like a 2 door a4)

        If you look how Audi has the s4, then rs4 , it seems like BMW is doing the same. M235.... M2? Maybe, maybe not
        that's what i'm thinking

        RS = M*

        S = **35i

        basically?

        though i do think the 'S' cars are still a bit higher than 35i, a bit lower than 'M' these days (where back in the day, the S3/S4 were complete direct M competitors for the most part, before RS was a thing).. since the S cars do have LSD + wider + suspension changes

        i think the A45 and S3 will still annihilate the M135i/235i, at least HOPEFULLY.. as that forces BMW to step up their small car game.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        at this point, going by your logic, what's the point of an M3/M4 if the 335i/435i basically have it covered other than width/minor suspension changes... well, and weight... and an 'actual' m-motor
        That doesn't make any sense because the 435i with performance pack will not offer anything near the M4.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        I think the rs3 is going to be a huge hit, it's rumored to be 400 hp, that's almost as much as the m4, in a small frame and with all wheel drive. The pics of it look awesome too.... I've got my eye on the m2 and rs3
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That doesn't make any sense because the 435i with performance pack will not offer anything near the M4.
        yes i know.. so why can't they do something of a similar step up for 1/2 series?.. i was pointing out a flaw in the argument

        the only problem in BMW's eyes could be the 1/2 M's being waaaay too much faster than the 3/4 m's.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        I think the rs3 is going to be a huge hit, it's rumored to be 400 hp, that's almost as much as the m4, in a small frame and with all wheel drive. The pics of it look awesome too.... I've got my eye on the m2 and rs3
        oh there's going to be an RS3 as well?.. yeah then RS3 + A45 AMG put up a bit much competition for the M135i at that point is my guess

        will it be available stateside or another euro only?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        I think the rs3 is going to be a huge hit, it's rumored to be 400 hp, that's almost as much as the m4, in a small frame and with all wheel drive. The pics of it look awesome too.... I've got my eye on the m2 and rs3
        If it has all wheel drive with a dual clutch and the 2.5 I5 it will be a winner. A better CLA45 AMG essentially.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        yes i know.. so why can't they do something of a similar step up for 1/2 series?.. i was pointing out a flaw in the argument

        the only problem in BMW's eyes could be the 1/2 M's being waaaay too much faster than the 3/4 m's.
        They can but my point is what would it be? What else do you do? Take the M3 motor or create a new one?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        oh there's going to be an RS3 as well?.. yeah then RS3 + A45 AMG put up a bit much competition for the M135i at that point is my guess

        will it be available stateside or another euro only?
        You haven't looked into the RS3? If it's like the concept it will be absurd...