• Strength of the supercharged E92 M3 S65 V8 top end - DCT M3 puts buslengths on a Ferrari 458 Italia

      Many people look at the M3 torque figures and horsepower and think peak numbers tell the whole story. Well, they do not. The M3 motor when massaged with a little boost becomes an absolute best namely up top with a centrifugal blower which builds boost with RPM. The M3 revving to 8400 rpm in stock form when paired with this style of blower makes for a very strong roll on racing car. Don't believe me? Check out the video below of a 458 Italia being blown away on the highway.


      Now the 458 Italia is no slouch. It's a very fast car even in stock form. This M3 is packing some heat though running an ESS-VT2 625 supercharger kit with a different pulley for more boost for an output of 613 horsepower at the wheels. The owner posted his dyno graphs with various pulleys showing the effect on output.

      With 613 horsepower at the wheels and a dual clutch transmission just like the Ferrari it is no contest considering the 458 Italia is down roughly ~150 horsepower at the wheels and it shows.

      Thank you to @BlownE92M3 for the video.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS 625 @ 9psi vs Ferrari 458 Italia started by BlownE92M3 View original post
      Comments 48 Comments
      1. zhijjawi10's Avatar
        zhijjawi10 -
        Absolutely sick car and GREAT video! I like how you turned the camera to the right for the next run. Nice dude, you have a beast of a M3. You put a beating on that 458.
      1. SLV335I's Avatar
        SLV335I -
        Nice run. You should have a little over 100hp more than the stock 458 correct?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Did you not read what I wrote?
      1. SLV335I's Avatar
        SLV335I -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Did you not read what I wrote?
        Sorry about that. I didn't read your post because I thought it was just a summery of what I already saw in the video.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        That 458 must not be tuned LOL.
        OP - Nice run, quick car you got there and it sounds great.
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Well, considering they are from Colorado the elevation is surely going to put the 458 down on power. Anyone know what elevation BlownE92M3 is at? Not trying to take away from his victory, but its not exactly a fair comparison.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        That 458 must not be tuned LOL.
        OP - Nice run, quick car you got there and it sounds great.
        It really did sound amazing - I was under the impression that the throttle response would be "deadened" a bit from the blower, but to me - it sounds nasty quick - I would say quicker than my NA M3 on downshift blip. Nice cars - awesome M3.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Well, considering they are from Colorado the elevation is surely going to put the 458 down on power. Anyone know what elevation BlownE92M3 is at? Not trying to take away from his victory, but its not exactly a fair comparison.
        Colorado believe?

        Yep the 458 will be down a bit and he is running a smaller pulley to compensate making it an even greater beat down. Sea level isn't going to do much of anything for this outcome thoug.
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Colorado believe?

        Yep the 458 will be down a bit and he is running a smaller pulley to compensate making it an even greater beat down. Sea level isn't going to do much for anything for this outcome thoug.
        What would you expect a 600whp M3 to trap? 458's are around 129-131 or so i believe.
      1. alex@ABRhouston's Avatar
        alex@ABRhouston -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        What would you expect a 600whp M3 to trap? 458's are around 129-131 or so i believe.

        If things go right, I'm gonna try to get to the track with my M3 pretty soon. I expect numbers in there or higher. Who knows though Click here to enlarge
      1. leveraged sellout's Avatar
        leveraged sellout -
        I really need to stop watching these videos...makes me want an FI M3
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
        I really need to stop watching these videos...makes me want an FI M3
        as you should.. just do it right the first time Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        What would you expect a 600whp M3 to trap? 458's are around 129-131 or so i believe.
        He looks like he is more around 134 with 9 psi. I did 130 with 7.5 psi...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
        I really need to stop watching these videos...makes me want an FI M3
        They're definitely fun and quicker than people think. I don't understand why it doesn't get the respect it should. Very powerful and a top end monster when done right.

        I mean this is a stock internal M3 annihilating a 458 Italia. That isn't good enough?
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Here is why FI M3s aren't that popular nor do they get the respect they should...

        1) Most that buy an M3 think it is unholy to supercharge a great high revving NA motor.
        2) They still aren't torquey down low even when blown.
        3) Assuming everything was purchased new, you are at GTR price territory (a much better overall sports car).
        4) The non M version for the price is still the preferred FI platform in the E90. When people look at the cost it takes to SC an S65 and the fact that it is a motor that is built to be perfect in NA, they decide on a 335i which costs less.
        5) Hey sticky, wanna see a stock internal RB and meth 335i run away from an Italia... we have that and for much less $$$.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        1) Most that buy an M3 think it is unholy to supercharge a great high revving NA motor.
        Adding boost to a high revving efficient NA motor is one of the greatest things one can do. The Gallardo wasn't all that fast when it launched. A little boost and now they are revered.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        2) They still aren't torquey down low even when blown.
        Exactly. You don't break things but are very fast.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        3) Assuming everything was purchased new, you are at GTR price territory (a much better overall sports car)
        The GTR is a souless robot. And all wheel drive. And a Nissan. And no V8.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        4) The non M version for the price is still the preferred FI platform in the E90. When people look at the cost it takes to SC an S65 and the fact that it is a motor that is built to be perfect in NA, they decide on a 335i which costs less.
        If people have money issues sure take the inferior less satisfying car with less potential that is cheaper.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        5) Hey sticky, wanna see a stock internal RB and meth 335i run away from an Italia... we have that and for much less $$$.
        I'd rather spend more money and have a faster car. And this M3 will slaughter any RB 335 on the highway. And that's just on stock internals.

        Maybe you need to see my car versus an RB N54? It be like this video just worse. And it wouldn't matter what N54 it was honestly. So I suppose there is your value perspective and then the perspective of maximum E9X performance where the M3 reigns supreme. Always has, always will.
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Maybe you need to see my car versus an RB N54? It be like this video just worse. And it wouldn't matter what N54 it was honestly.
        Not to be a dick, but i would love to see your car race anything at this point in time Click here to enlarge All the buildup and still no real world results. LETS SEE IT STICKY
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Adding boost to a high revving efficient NA motor is one of the greatest things one can do. The Gallardo wasn't all that fast when it launched. A little boost and now they are revered.

        If the motor is so great... why is it being SC'd? I still dont and will not understand this logic.

        Exactly. You don't break things but are very fast.



        The GTR is a souless robot. And all wheel drive. And a Nissan. And no V8.

        Give me one track, performance event or whatever you wish where a stock M3 beats a stock GTR... Tuned is another league as well... U know what, find me a modern BMW that runs a 7.9@185... Everything else is badge whoring and the souless robot saying is a fantastic scapegoat.

        If people have money issues sure take the inferior less satisfying car with less potential that is cheaper.

        Well we have a 738 WHP stock internal 6 cylinder 3.0L motor in a non M chassis.
        We have a 775 WHP 4.0L V8 that was made FI after the fact and came in an M car. I guess its all about perspective. Price wise, it still wins.

        I'd rather spend more money and have a faster car. And this M3 will slaughter any RB 335 on the highway. And that's just on stock internals.

        Maybe you need to see my car versus an RB N54? It be like this video just worse. And it wouldn't matter what N54 it was honestly. So I suppose there is your value perspective and then the perspective of maximum E9X performance where the M3 reigns supreme. Always has, always will.
        Your car... why yes, yes I would! Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Not to be a dick, but i would love to see your car race anything at this point in time Click here to enlarge All the buildup and still no real world results. LETS SEE IT STICKY
        I'm sure you would and so would I but all you have to do is look at the dyno chart posted to realize it's no contest. Hell it's not even worth the gas.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        If the motor is so great... why is it being SC'd? I still dont and will not understand this logic.
        Um if the Gallardo motor is great why turbo it? If the 458 motor is great why turbo it? If the Z06 motor is so great why turbo/supercharge it?

        Seriously?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Give me one track, performance event or whatever you wish where a stock M3 beats a stock GTR... Tuned is another league as well... U know what, find me a modern BMW that runs a 7.9@185... Everything else is badge whoring and the souless robot saying is a fantastic scapegoat.
        Why are we comparing it to the GTR now? What next, UGR Gallardo's? I thought we were talking about BMW's like the M3 in this video destroying the Italia? I've never seen an N54 walk one that hard.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Well we have a 738 WHP stock internal 6 cylinder 3.0L motor in a non M chassis.
        We have a 775 WHP 4.0L V8 that was made FI after the fact and came in an M car. I guess its all about perspective. Price wise, it still wins.
        I'm making way more than 773 whp man. It's no contest. Who cares about $ per HP? Why even mod a BMW then? Go ahead and talk about value if you want I guess I have a built motor supercharged M3 and don't care.