• Apples to apples to E90/E92 M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit race comparison - Evolve Automotive versus ESS-Tuning supercharger kits

      Direct E9X M3 supercharger comparisons are hard to come by. When one person wants to compare a kit to another and posts a question on a forum the answer to that question will differ based on what forum the person is asking it on instead of the actual technical merits of the kit. You ask the question on a forum where tuner X has X installed kits X amount of people say it's the best. Person Y chimes in that they have Y option and it all degenerated into an X versus Y flame fest with no answers, lot's of insults, and dynochart/sales number racing.


      Well this is actual racing. Two supercharger kits for the S65 V8 and both with centrifugal blowers. Both have different tunes, different intake manifolds, but roughly the same boost pressure at 6 PSI which will vary with supporting mods (exhaust, manifold, etc) but this is about as close to an apples to apples real world comparison people are going to get.

      The first video is an inside view but the single angle does not give a good view of where the other M3 is in relation. It clearly shows the black (Evolve) supercharged M3 in front though. The second video gives a better idea and is an external view although from a distance. The race is close, as it should be, with the Evolve car taking the win, as it should.

      Why? The ESS-Tuning kit is Vortech V3si based which is a great blower that offers great peak power. The Evolve Engineering kit uses a Rotrex C-38 based blower with a different impeller design that offers greater mid-range. At 6 psi, the V3si is not at the efficiency range to show its top end CFM airflow advantage over the Rotrex blower. At this power level and boost level, on the stock engine internals, the Rotrex seems to be better matched to the motor offering greater area under the curve. Peak dyno figures do not tell the whole story as the race illustrates.

      Additionally, keep in mind there are two skill levels of tuning at work here. The Evolve car is partially designed to showcase the Evolve kit in the United States. Regarding the tuning skill at work, Evolve has shown the ability to improve on ESS tunes. The results linked in the previous sentence are from a third party but show a difference in skill level.

      Evolve is based in the UK and has a leg up in that market and more supercharger kits in that market than anyone else. ESS has had their kit on the market in the USA longer. Regardless, sales figures do not equate to performance. They equate to marketing on certain forums. Both are great supercharger kits and the difference in all honesty comes down to a drivers race. How they achieve their performance and what the cars are like to drive including what you get for what you pay should be the deciding factor.

      A lot of words for a short simple race video (longer race would be preferred also not on what appeared to be a slick track surface) but when it comes to M3 supercharger kits the cars should really be doing more talking. That has not happened. It's a shame marketing and certain websites that care more about the advertisers do such a disservice to genuine information.

      Take a look for yourself.



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      Comments 65 Comments
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Did you ever confirm which ESS kit he was running?
        AT this point i dont even car, he told me 600, then it was posted as 650, then the video before says 625, another 650 ect ect.. All I know is he was a cool guy and is down to run again. I would assume he is at least a 625 now if not 650, ill ask him. I look forward to the next one, hopefully lose so i have a reason to upgrade - the next level Evolve kit has to be nuts if this one is so sick Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Have you reviewed the Defiv lockdown kit? Curious about this. I stiffened things up with urethane bushings, and am curious if this made shifts genuinely sharper for you. Did you have stock bushings pre install?

        Cheers.

        BRO! The @rick@defiv kit is the $#@!!

        Ive said it before and ill say it again, ALL my shifts are super tight and the car jumps forward. @M&M and I had a discussion before about nailing the shift points perfectly and the car jumps, well.. it does it everytime. That alone was well worth the price. I have YET to have ANY wheel hop in ANY situation Ive put it through. Its a MUST for DCT cars and very very very highly reccomended for 6MT cars.

        Click here to enlarge


        if you follow green accel line, the first "shake" you see is wheelspin on the 2-3 shift, after that you see 2 different spikes, those are at the shifts, thats what the defiv does everytime Click here to enlarge


        performance wise, my car has all the right pieces now - minus BBK - that it needs to be absolute perfection. Custom paint and im done.. until i see this set of cams come to fruition Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        until i see this set of cams come to fruition Click here to enlarge
        Forum rumors say evolve has a non-publicized cam tune for S65s???? Would be awesome to see how/if a boosted S65 would respond.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Forum rumors say evolve has a non-publicized cam tune for S65s???? Would be awesome to see how/if a boosted S65 would respond.
        another 20-30hp at same boost would be awesome Click here to enlarge
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        AT this point i dont even car, he told me 600, then it was posted as 650, then the video before says 625, another 650 ect ect.. All I know is he was a cool guy and is down to run again. I would assume he is at least a 625 now if not 650, ill ask him. I look forward to the next one, hopefully lose so i have a reason to upgrade - the next level Evolve kit has to be nuts if this one is so sick Click here to enlarge




        BRO! The @rick@defiv kit is the $#@!!

        Ive said it before and ill say it again, ALL my shifts are super tight and the car jumps forward. @M&M and I had a discussion before about nailing the shift points perfectly and the car jumps, well.. it does it everytime. That alone was well worth the price. I have YET to have ANY wheel hop in ANY situation Ive put it through. Its a MUST for DCT cars and very very very highly reccomended for 6MT cars.

        http://www.germanboost.com/images/im...60130MPH-1.jpg


        if you follow green accel line, the first "shake" you see is wheelspin on the 2-3 shift, after that you see 2 different spikes, those are at the shifts, thats what the defiv does everytime Click here to enlarge


        performance wise, my car has all the right pieces now - minus BBK - that it needs to be absolute perfection. Custom paint and im done.. until i see this set of cams come to fruition Click here to enlarge
        Nice - this might be on my upgrade list. I am staying NA, but will be adding more and more as I go without a rush. It's my DD, so I hate not being able to drive it. Point is, I was curious how it felt vs. a bushings upgrade - and am glad it made a noticeable difference.

        P.S. - Not sure if you ever looked into it, but for guys like you and @Sticky who are into running your cars often - Turner Motorsport sells some badass bushings for our car. You can get a solid aluminum bushing for the DCT Transmission and the Engine to ensure you have almost no power loss through the chassis. I never heard any reviews of it, and it's for "race use only" - but so is most of the crap we put on our car. I am just waiting to hear someone's review Click here to enlarge
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        another 20-30hp at same boost would be awesome Click here to enlarge
        Well (if it's true), you could combine the Scrick cams & Supersprint/Evolve S65 Headers, maybe pick up another 50 HP AND not have to worry about torturing the block since you haven't added any boost

        = WINNING