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    • Apples to apples to E90/E92 M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit race comparison - Evolve Automotive versus ESS-Tuning supercharger kits

      Direct E9X M3 supercharger comparisons are hard to come by. When one person wants to compare a kit to another and posts a question on a forum the answer to that question will differ based on what forum the person is asking it on instead of the actual technical merits of the kit. You ask the question on a forum where tuner X has X installed kits X amount of people say it's the best. Person Y chimes in that they have Y option and it all degenerated into an X versus Y flame fest with no answers, lot's of insults, and dynochart/sales number racing.


      Well this is actual racing. Two supercharger kits for the S65 V8 and both with centrifugal blowers. Both have different tunes, different intake manifolds, but roughly the same boost pressure at 6 PSI which will vary with supporting mods (exhaust, manifold, etc) but this is about as close to an apples to apples real world comparison people are going to get.

      The first video is an inside view but the single angle does not give a good view of where the other M3 is in relation. It clearly shows the black (Evolve) supercharged M3 in front though. The second video gives a better idea and is an external view although from a distance. The race is close, as it should be, with the Evolve car taking the win, as it should.

      Why? The ESS-Tuning kit is Vortech V3si based which is a great blower that offers great peak power. The Evolve Engineering kit uses a Rotrex C-38 based blower with a different impeller design that offers greater mid-range. At 6 psi, the V3si is not at the efficiency range to show its top end CFM airflow advantage over the Rotrex blower. At this power level and boost level, on the stock engine internals, the Rotrex seems to be better matched to the motor offering greater area under the curve. Peak dyno figures do not tell the whole story as the race illustrates.

      Additionally, keep in mind there are two skill levels of tuning at work here. The Evolve car is partially designed to showcase the Evolve kit in the United States. Regarding the tuning skill at work, Evolve has shown the ability to improve on ESS tunes. The results linked in the previous sentence are from a third party but show a difference in skill level.

      Evolve is based in the UK and has a leg up in that market and more supercharger kits in that market than anyone else. ESS has had their kit on the market in the USA longer. Regardless, sales figures do not equate to performance. They equate to marketing on certain forums. Both are great supercharger kits and the difference in all honesty comes down to a drivers race. How they achieve their performance and what the cars are like to drive including what you get for what you pay should be the deciding factor.

      A lot of words for a short simple race video (longer race would be preferred also not on what appeared to be a slick track surface) but when it comes to M3 supercharger kits the cars should really be doing more talking. That has not happened. It's a shame marketing and certain websites that care more about the advertisers do such a disservice to genuine information.

      Take a look for yourself.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: Evolve e9x supercharger started by undercover View original post
      Comments 65 Comments
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        It's crazy how much bickering goes on with supercharger kits and the e9x m3 platform. Take LM's opinion how you wish but he has owned both a ess car and now evolve. I would think he is a pretty good person to compare the kits and feeling of them. How many other m3 owners have owned two kits?

        Vendors will always say their kit is superior, that's why forums like this with unbiased opinions are valuable.

        LM go run some other blown m3's so we can get more data!
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        not being a d;ck just stating my observations... weather was the same for both cars the day at jones beach and the track day... i am not that educated on the difference in kits so pardon that... I just thought that ess car was underperforming... I didnt really catch much of your car as I got there at noon

        The FBO 335 looked like it ran pretty even with the ess600 car and that should NOT happen
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        Kieth's GTR was down a bit in one cyl and a little tiny bit , it never blew up despite what he says to everyone, that car was running FINE that day, I was in it and drove it that day.... made ZERO noise, he lost and started blaming his motor... period...

        he blamed his cars motor on the fact his tuner couldn't get the timing he wanted to stick. etc...

        Rickys car was faster than that ess 600 by a LARGE margin... i am sure of that
        ok, if you say so, but i just recall him saying it was down and needed a rebuild, which was conformed by other well known gtr owners
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge

        The FBO 335 looked like it ran pretty even with the ess600 car and that should NOT happen
        ive seen n54's do work against blown m3's and they couldnt catch up until 140+.. you just dont hear about those stories because its bad for business, and for some reason, people will defend whatever company they chose to buy into so they dont hurt their egos by admitting they got beat..
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        ok, if you say so, but i just recall him saying it was down and needed a rebuild, which was conformed by other well known gtr owners
        bc that is what he told them... but that is really none of my business, i just know people who work with him every single day, pretty well so I heard different... I dont need to slander anyone but it annoys me when people dont keep it real.. and dont accept losses just as you described above
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        bc that is what he told them... but that is really none of my business, i just know people who work with him every single day, pretty well so I heard different... I dont need to slander anyone but it annoys me when people dont keep it real.. and dont accept losses just as you described above
        all good man. Ive never seen another M3 beat a GTR that traps that high, so his story was plauisible
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Really wish we had a good side by side view to tell how the race played out, the grandstand view doesn't really show anyone pulling. Either way, the Evolve kit looks to be the business.
        Same. Why even have a single camera angle like that...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        the ess car didn't seem all that quick to me
        They're pretty close...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
        ive seen and have videos of rickys old white ess car anally raping my 135 that trapped 120 while beating a FBO GTR with e85 tune that trapped in the 130s...

        the 4 door had the 600 kit I think , I am not sure of the boost or whp that produces but I think there are faster examples out there.
        A supercharged M3 will pull on GTR's that haven't been massaged enough up top.
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        im with ya... and saw it first hand and my reaction in the video is like a child because i was so happy to see it LOL
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        I thought i mentioned why there is no rear angle, the gopro bricked so it didnt record anything.. you all should know by now I have enough camera's to cover every angle Click here to enlarge
      1. undercover's Avatar
        undercover -
        Uhm........................

        I LOVE BMW's. Anyone that knows me know this about me. I worked at both BMW and Nissan. I love Bimmers. End of story.

        But..........................

        Someone please post a video of ANY E9x beating a stock GTR please. Especially from a dig. I'd love to watch it.
      1. undercover's Avatar
        undercover -
        Attachment 31901
        Heres a nice layoverof the 2 kits. Biggest difference is in the midrange where the Rotrex makes an additional 90whp. Thats huge. More boost at lower rpm. Surely I believe more peak power can be had from the vortech. Its a bigger blower through and through. But both are large enough to break the stock motor so the point is mute. The rotrex shines at 6-7psi all the way to redline. Both curves are atrocious IMO. But this is due to vanos moving around.


        Attachment 31902
        Easy to see that the Rotrex makes more power and boost down low where most engines live on a daily basis.

        Attachment 31903
        I can say that the tuning from Evolve kicks the sh*t out of the other car. Driveability is really where Evolve shines. End of story. They are dedicated to individually tune each car. Not a cookie cutter tune for every car. This is where I become, as a tuner, biased. I have yet to have 2 exact same setups want the same fuel and timing.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by undercover Click here to enlarge
        Someone please post a video of ANY E9x beating a stock GTR please. Especially from a dig. I'd love to watch it.
        Especially from a dig obviously favors all wheel drive. But supercharged stock internal M3's trap over 130. A stock GTR isn't exactly hard to beat.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by undercover Click here to enlarge
        Both curves are atrocious IMO. But this is due to vanos moving around.
        I've never seen a dyno curve like that from a supercharged M3.

        Anyway, can we we get different colored lines for each kit?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by undercover Click here to enlarge
        Driveability is really where Evolve shines. End of story. They are dedicated to individually tune each car. Not a cookie cutter tune for every car. This is where I become, as a tuner, biased. I have yet to have 2 exact same setups want the same fuel and timing.
        Yep this is the point I tried to highlight.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by undercover Click here to enlarge
        Surely I believe more peak power can be had from the vortech. Its a bigger blower through and through. But both are large enough to break the stock motor so the point is mute. The rotrex shines at 6-7psi all the way to redline.
        Exactly right.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        wasnt there a huge variance on conditions between those runs.. like one kit dyno was done in cool dry, low DA air, and the other in hot humid 2k+ DA Click here to enlarge
      1. TTFS's Avatar
        TTFS -
        I am actually impressed by how well the vortech kit did against the rotrex. perhaps the vortech driver was a bit more experiencedClick here to enlarge IMO evolves tuning abilities did not have any relations to the results in the race posted, but rather the type of supercharger used. kudos to them for using rotrex.


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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m3816 Click here to enlarge
        I am actually impressed by how well the vortech kit did against the rotrex. perhaps the vortech driver was a bit more experiencedClick here to enlarge IMO evolves tuning abilities did not have any relations to the results in the race posted, but rather the type of supercharger used. kudos to them for using rotrex.


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        then your an idiot Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        completely mis-read that.. apologies- too late to edit