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    • F80 M3 / F82 M4 testing at the ring shows off the new S55 turbo inline-6 exhaust note - New M3/M4 sounds average? Comparison to E92 M3 S65 V8

      It is no secret the switch to turbo motors for the BMW M division has brought along with it some issues that upset M purists. A recent comparison between the classic naturally aspirated M exhaust note in the E60 M5 versus the new turbo exhaust note in the F10 M5 highlighted a glaring difference in sound quality. Do not forget, the F10 M5 is receiving a revised exhaust system so BMW themselves recognizes the exhaust note in their latest M cars has not exactly been up to the standards they set themselves.


      Let's be honest, the new M5 even fakes its exhaust sound with synthetic noise piped into the cabin so things have gone a bit off the rails at M. BMW recognizes its latest M missteps so this should bode well for the exhaust note of the new F80 M3 and F82 M4. The video below is the clearest sound yet of the upcoming new M cars.

      Take a listen:


      How do you feel? It seems to be a bit more uncorked than the F10 M5 factory note was but still has a low pitched drone sound quality to it. Spectacular? No. Passable? Sure.

      Now take a listen to a compilation of the E92 M3 S65 V8 exhaust note:


      Is it even a contest? If fuel economy and cost saving matters more than emotion at M these days, so be it. But something has been lost in translation.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: F80 M3 / F82 M4 testing at the ring shows off the new S55 turbo inline-6 exhaust note - New M3/M4 sounds average? Comparison to E92 M3 S65 V8 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. skoot3r's Avatar
        skoot3r -
        The n54/n55 sound pretty good imo.. It's true the the stock e9x m3 exhaust leaves a lot to be desired. And of course if you throw a full exhaust on the car it sounds amazing. That is almost the case with 99% of all the cars out there. But I wouldn't down play the f80 till it's on the market and we get better exhaust videos

        stock n55


        stock n54


        vs

        stock s65
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Why did you buy a e46 m3 then? That car was criticized for a poor exhaust note at the time (tingy, metallic sound) but people eventually got used to it. Didn't bother you though when you bought one...hmmm
        The E46 M3 exhaust note is awesome not sure what you're talking about. I would seek out tunnels on purpose just to hear it, sounded amazing.

        Sounds a hell of a lot better than the N55 will, or any N54, or turbo anything from BMW:

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Bc it's a biased comparison...

        It's like comparing a tuned e92 335 to a f80 335 and complaining the power isn't the same
        Power has nothing to do with it. It's not biased that I can't do an aftermarket exhaust comparison for you when no aftermarket exhausts exist for an upcoming car. All you are doing is diverting attention and skirting the issue which is the crappy exhaust note of new cars.

        It sounds like crap compared to NA M motors I don't know what to tell you. The F10 versus E60 comparison already illustrated it. Sorry, deal with it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by skoot3r Click here to enlarge
        It's true the the stock e9x m3 exhaust leaves a lot to be desired.
        That would be the stock N54 exhaust. There is no comparison between the two it's a joke to even make your argument. N54 and N55 sound pretty good? Seriously?

        Yet another stock M3 exhaust:



        And the M3 also has an exhaust option from the factory.

        Wow some of your are blind fanboys. Bu bu bu bu bu butt it's turbo! Bu bu bu bu bu bu bu butt it's stock! It sounds like $#@!.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        No I don't, no one does, so why do a half ass comparison?
        This. Its a retarded comparison but not unexpected as sticky has a crusade going against M in a misplaced anger for his 3 year build. For his next trick he will call the F80 slow in a comparison to boosted and tuned E92's lol.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Power has nothing to do with it. It's not biased that I can't do an aftermarket exhaust comparison for you when no aftermarket exhausts exist for an upcoming car. All you are doing is diverting attention and skirting the issue which is the crappy exhaust note of new cars.

        It sounds like crap compared to NA M motors I don't know what to tell you. The F10 versus E60 comparison already illustrated it. Sorry, deal with it.
        I'm not saying power has anything to do with it, I'm saying a stock "something" can't be compared to a aftermarket "something" it just makes no sense! Get it? My 335 analogy was just that, a analogy.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        This. Its a retarded comparison but not unexpected as sticky has a crusade going against M in a misplaced anger for his 3 year build. For his next trick he will call the F80 slow in a comparison to boosted and tuned E92's lol.
        All you have to do is listen to the exhaust note. It is what it is. The M division sold out deal with it.

        Enjoy your Nissan.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        I'm not saying power has anything to do with it, I'm saying a stock "something" can't be compared to a aftermarket "something" it just makes no sense! Get it? My 335 analogy was just that, a analogy.
        Click here to enlarge

      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        IMO there is nothing special about the n54's exhaust note with stock exhaust... the 335is' sound 10x better and I am assuming the M division will design a respectable exhaust system with a respectable note for the m3/4

        But its hard to compare a v8 vs v6 in exhaust note bc they are drastically different...

        r32 v6 golf, 350z g35, fx35 (fx35's longer maybe? is the best sounding vq35), e46 M3, all sound much nicer than our motor, but they are NA so again that's hard to compare.

        but i bet when its all done the new m3/4 will def sound better than our n54s...

        also, 135is put out a much nicer note than the 335 as well... stock and modded... the dual on the n54 brings on some raspiness that isnt all that sexy..

        Drove my friends TTRS the other day , that car has a SEXY sound to it... cant get over the looks but that car impressed me in many ways... modified its gotta sound wonderful
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sounds like a children's toy compared to my car. Come close? L O L

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvFRdJlWJwg
        No. Your car is just louder. It dousn't sound better. If you essentially straight pipe a Ferrari motor it will sound better and be the same loudness as that.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        No. Your car is just louder. It dousn't sound better. If you essentially straight pipe a Ferrari motor it will sound better and be the same loudness as that.
        Tell yourself whatever you want. My car dumps on an N54, N55, or S55 in sound quality and always will. Weird before this thread all I got was compliments on how amazing it sounds and now it's, "Oh a Maserati sounds better." Right, sure, ok Click here to enlarge

        You rev your car next mine and you'll tuck your tail between your legs.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Tell yourself whatever you want. My car dumps on an N54, N55, or S55 in sound quality and always will. Weird before this thread all I got was compliments on how amazing it sounds and now it's, "Oh a Maserati sounds better." Right, sure, ok Click here to enlarge

        You rev your car next mine and you'll tuck your tail between your legs.
        I never said it didn't. I think the S65 kills the sound all those motors can make. Your car sounds good, but I don't believe it's on par with a Ferrari motor's sound. It won't have that exotic tone to it.

        I don't own a Maserati, my parents did at one point. Tail between the legs? Against tubi muffler's volume sure.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge Parents used to have a Maserati Quattroporte with Tubi mufflers. Car sounded unreal. I don't think an S65 can come close to Ferrari's motors.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb2YQRuWol4
        Just to prove how blatantly biased and idiotic this post is reaching for absolute anything, did you at any point realize the Maserati doesn't have the same flat-plane crank as the Ferrari's? It isn't the same Ferrari motor. It is based on it, but doesn't sound like an F430 for a reason.

        It would be nice if you at least got it right instead of reaching. Maybe this impresses people who have no clue what they're talking about.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        I never said it didn't. I think the S65 kills the sound all those motors can make. Your car sounds good, but I don't believe it's on par with a Ferrari motor's sound. It won't have that exotic tone to it.

        I don't own a Maserati, my parents did at one point. Tail between the legs? Against tubi muffler's volume sure.
        Who cares if they owned a Maserati or not? It isn't a Ferrari engine note once again. You aren't even making sense as you don't know what you're talking about.

        Claiming a higher revving V8 with the same crank design doesn't sound as good because one is "Ferrari" when it doesn't even have the same Ferrari engine design is about as blindly biased as one can be.

        Bravo sir, well done.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        Your car sounds good, but I don't believe it's on par with a Ferrari motor's sound. It won't have that exotic tone to it.
        Neither will a Maserati... whoops.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Just to prove how blatantly biased and idiotic this post is reaching for absolute anything, did you at any point realize the Maserati doesn't have the same flat-plane crank as the Ferrari's? It isn't the same Ferrari motor. It is based on it, but doesn't sound like an F430 for a reason.

        It would be nice if you at least got it right instead of reaching. Maybe this impresses people who have no clue what they're talking about.
        Sticky seriously? I'm not being biased or idiotic at all. Far from that actually. Maserati motors are built in the same exact factory Ferrari builds their motors in Modena Italy. Right next to each other in fact. Same assembly line, same workers, etc. All hand built. I know this because I went there and saw it with my own eyes. You do know they are sister companys right? Their parts are basically the same with a few differences to better fit a more luxury oriented car.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Who cares if they owned a Maserati or not? It isn't a Ferrari engine note once again. You aren't even making sense as you don't know what you're talking about.

        Claiming a higher revving V8 with the same crank design doesn't sound as good because one is "Ferrari" when it doesn't even have the same Ferrari engine design is about as blindly biased as one can be.

        Bravo sir, well done.
        It's a Ferrari motor. They are the same company that use the same parts. The top of the motor is red just like a Ferrari's motor is. How am I not making sense? I've witnessed them build the motors...

        That's not the point though. Even if it wasn't a Ferrari motor it still sounds better than an S65.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        I'm not going to reply in this thread any longer. I've made my point.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        I'm not going to reply in this thread any longer. I've made my point.
        Nothing is better than the s65... Deal with itClick here to enlarge
      1. skoot3r's Avatar
        skoot3r -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That would be the stock N54 exhaust. There is no comparison between the two it's a joke to even make your argument. N54 and N55 sound pretty good? Seriously?

        Yet another stock M3 exhaust:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nukI_3Hrmro

        And the M3 also has an exhaust option from the factory.

        Wow some of your are blind fanboys. Bu bu bu bu bu butt it's turbo! Bu bu bu bu bu bu bu butt it's stock! It sounds like $#@!.
        Blind fanboy? That's a cool story. I feel I'm being pretty neutral. Also in my OPINION I feel it's pretty weak with out optioning a 2k factory optional exhaust. That's why I run a gintani xpipe and race mufflers. So you can actually hear what s65 really sounds like. Back when I had my n54 in my OPINION I felt the exhaust had a nice rumble for being stock. But if you want to compare aftermarket systems the M3 will win hands down. The new f80 will not be able to touch the e9x m in terms of sound stock/aftermarket but it wont sound bad
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        Maserati motors are built in the same exact factory Ferrari builds their motors in Modena Italy. Right next to each other in fact.
        The Ferrari CEO could assemble them on his desk that changes absolutely nothing regarding the fact you completely missed why your association of Maserati to Ferrari motors based on sound quality was completely wrong and off. I'm amazed honestly.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        You do know they are sister companys right? Their parts are basically the same with a few differences to better fit a more luxury oriented car.
        You still don't get it? Wow.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
        It's a Ferrari motor. They are the same company that use the same parts. The top of the motor is red just like a Ferrari's motor is. How am I not making sense? I've witnessed them build the motors...
        Nothing further needs to be said. Equating a Maserati motor to a Ferrari motor because of proximity is... well, it is what it is. Don't feel bad, a few people in a hurry to +1 don't get it either.