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      Get used to it. That is the advice from BMW regarding the upcoming F32 M4. Easier said than done for fans of the brand who have been used to stellar M3 coupes for over two decades. When the last M3 coupe rolled off the assembly line recently the feeling was not jubilation in anticipation of what was coming next but sadness that classic M ideology and heritage was being dumped for uncharted territory based primarily around saving costs and mile per gallon figures.


      That makes sense for Toyota but not for BMW M where the driving experience should come before everything else as it traditionally has. Top Gear spoke to BMW recently, specifically BMW's product manager for smaller cars Matt Collins, who seems to be aware people disagree with BMW's new direction. He said, "I think a lot of purists look at the M3 all the way back to the E30, so there's obviously a challenge there for people to accept it. If you look at the way the M brand has evolved over the years there are a lot of things that people have had to get used to, for example, going from naturally aspirated to turbocharged engines."

      You have to get used to it is BMW's stance. The thing is, you don't. There are other brands out there producing superior drivers cars to BMW at the moment and they seem to be doing a better job at maintaining classic M driving ideals than M now is. Porsche, Mercedes, hell, even Audi, are producing sportier cars than M that are more fun to drive. Mercedes is hitting home run after home run with the Black Series. During this same time BMW is giving us front wheel drives, hybrids, and electric city cars. Go ahead, get used to that. I won't.

      Any good news regarding BMW's new direction? Well, BMW is focusing on lightweight materials because having gone with cheap materials (steel frames over aluminum) in their newest generation cars has caused them to balloon in weight while the competition has gotten slimmer leaving BMW no choice but to address the weight gain. "We really want to focus on lightweight engineering. Plus we've got the technology in our ‘i' cars - carbon fibre, reinforced plastic and so forth - so that's where we're really looking to position it. Slightly more lightweight. I wouldn't say ‘racer', but more of a dynamic focus."

      Ok, lightweight materials are great and all but does that mean we can finally expect a hardcore track based M variant that can go toe to toe with a Mercedes-Benz AMG Black Series without going into limp mode? "There are no plans at the moment to build a lightweight CSL version of the M4, but there weren't any plans to do the last generation CSL either. We have to see what the customers think, and if there's potential for an even more lightweight version, we'll do it. But I think we're really focusing on making this car as light as we can. We're not going to go halfway house with the ‘real' car, because we'd like to get it as low as possible in the first place. The proper car will showcase a real reduction in weight."

      Let me translate the politically correct marketing speak for you to simply say it this way: If we can make money doing it, we'll do it. He leaves the statement ambiguous and states they are focusing on keeping the M4 light so no further engineering or more focused track model will be necessary which is a cop out. Porsche made the 991 generation 911 lighter and more efficient yet somehow a track focused GT3 model still slots in and improves upon the base car. Porsche can do it, BMW can't? The CSL and GTS already show they can and have. But hey, any excuse to save money.

      BMW's arrogance is now beyond frustrating. They still think they make the best cars in the world and in this particular segment. They say they don't even target specific competition and that the competition doesn't drive them, "We think the M3 is the benchmark car; it's the iconic car, and it's the one that really defines the segment. Obviously, we look at the competition and we want to make sure we're as good as we can possibly be, but when developing this M4, it's certainly not a case of ‘this is the target'. It's about making what we think is the best car in the segment even better. It's not a competitor-focused development."

      The M3 was the iconic car. It was the benchmark. BMW, you should look at your competition. Because they have passed you by. Get used to that.

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      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        I was a bmw fanboy, but then I started looking at the Benz M156 and that motor just kills and loves bolt ons and F/I factors.

        My first car was a 85 535i with a m5 motor transplant and I loved that thing. Bmw has gone far away from what It used to be. Sad indeed!

        PS I blew up that motor and some guy restored a 633csi bought the whole car, rebuilt the motor and transmission and put it in the 633 csi.
      1. farbmw's Avatar
        farbmw -
        This is not what I was hoping for at all, this is way some of my BMW friends has gone to Mercedes-Benz and Porsche.

        If the M4 does not give me that feeling I used to have after all these years, guess what my next car will be in 2 to 3 years!
      1. Brey335i's Avatar
        Brey335i -
        They will keep selling the M3 like hot bread. But it will now be driven exclusively by people who care more about the badge than the driving dynamics of the car.

        Mercedes isn't afraid to stick a monster motor in their C class or continuously improving the breed. BMW these days thinks everything they design while having a hangover s**t in the morning is the best of the best and there's no need to change anything.

        And as long as they keep making money on it, they won't change a darn thing. I'll give the new M3/M4 a chance but I don't have high hopes.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brey335i Click here to enlarge
        They will keep selling the M3 like hot bread. But it will now be driven exclusively by people who care more about the badge than the driving dynamics of the car.
        Bingo.
      1. funkmobster's Avatar
        funkmobster -
        These are European manufacturers . In alot of European countries you get taxed on displacement or Co2. Where i live you will rarely see an AMG model or anything else in that displacement range.
        Have fun filling up your 5+ liter AMG at the pump when a liter is almost 2€.
        My DD is a 1.2L 3 cilinder with a whopping 80hp since last year , just because of all these new tax rules.
        Someday America will have to follow , enjoy it while it lasts.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by funkmobster Click here to enlarge
        These are European manufacturers . In alot of European countries you get taxed on displacement or Co2. Where i live you will rarely see an AMG model or anything else in that displacement range.
        Have fun filling up your 5+ liter AMG at the pump when a liter is almost 2€.
        My DD is a 1.2L 3 cilinder with a whopping 80hp since last year , just because of all these new tax rules.
        Someday America will have to follow , enjoy it while it lasts.
        Retarded European taxes aren't America's problem. Fortunately AMG is still making motor's worth having. If you can't afford the taxes and fuel that is your problem.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Retarded European taxes aren't America's problem. Fortunately AMG is still making motor's worth having. If you can't afford the taxes and fuel that is your problem.
        Exactly if you can't afford the taxes and fuel, buy the base model BMW's. That is what they are there for.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Exactly if you can't afford the taxes and fuel, buy the base model BMW's. That is what they are there for.
        Bingo. The high performance models aren't supposed to be for everyone.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        I just placed my order for a 435 Msport pretty much base $54,000 mind you and, Im having some serious doubts on whether or not I should cancel or not. My father just purchased a a 2014 x3 as a weekend car and as I drove it I couldn't help but complain about the electric steering the whole damn trip. Its absolutely horrible! Now my family loves it because its easy to turn and such but that's exactly what I loved about Bmw and why I have had so many.

        I never thought I would have second thoughts about getting a new Bmw ever!

        Any other cars you guys suggest for an enthusiast DD ? Cla45 amg looks nice but 4wd in Miami is a boring waste
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Cla45 amg looks nice but 4wd in Miami is a boring waste
        I would suggest the CLA45 AMG and it's a boring waste until you're at a stoplight against a rear wheel drive car and spank it because you have traction and he doesn't.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I would suggest the CLA45 AMG and it's a boring waste until you're at a stoplight against a rear wheel drive car and spank it because you have traction and he doesn't.

        Well I also chose a 6mt knowing its .3 seconds slower. I really don't care how fast my car is if it doesn't scare me every once and awhile and a 4wd would bore me to tears around corners.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Well I also chose a 6mt knowing its .3 seconds slower. I really don't care how fast my car is if it doesn't scare me every once and awhile and a 4wd would bore me to tears around corners.
        Very valid point.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Very valid point.

        The 2 series will be the only light and nimble car coming from BMW this time around. Hope they don't screw it up.
      1. KB's Avatar
        KB -
        The 4 series has an optional lsd. Part of the m performance parts.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
        The 4 series has an optional lsd. Part of the m performance parts.
        Definitely a nice perk. That will likely be the BMW article for tomorrow.
      1. xbox_fan's Avatar
        xbox_fan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Well I also chose a 6mt knowing its .3 seconds slower. I really don't care how fast my car is if it doesn't scare me every once and awhile and a 4wd would bore me to tears around corners.
        IDK my 997tt is 4wd but it surely scares me from time to time in corners Click here to enlarge

        It has a heavy rear, and if your are turning in at too high speeds wintertime that ass will try to overtake you faster than you ever expect...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
        IDK my 997tt is 4wd but it surely scares me from time to time in corners Click here to enlarge

        It has a heavy rear, and if your are turning in at too high speeds wintertime that ass will try to overtake you faster than you ever expect...
        Classic 911 characteristic. It's been dialed down but still there...
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
        IDK my 997tt is 4wd but it surely scares me from time to time in corners Click here to enlarge

        It has a heavy rear, and if your are turning in at too high speeds wintertime that ass will try to overtake you faster than you ever expect...
        Rear engine is always scary lol. My dream car right now is that alfa 4c!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        My dream car right now is that alfa 4c!
        They say it will be coming in at $80k. For that much money... nah.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        If its 80 its only because the price of carbon fiber did not decrease like they thought it would.