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    • Stock Ferrari 458 Italia versus stock Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG roll on races - Surprising result

      Simply awesome video comparison here of a stock Ferrari 458 Italia versus a stock Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG. Both cars have similar output in the ~560 horsepower range although the SLS M159 6.2 liter V8 is much larger than the Ferrari's 4.5 liter V8. The Ferrari is about 400 pounds lighter though and revs to 9000 rpm versus the 7500 rpm redline of the SLS AMG. Both cars have the same Getrag 7-speed dual clutch gearbox although with different software.


      There are three runs and the cars are fairly evenly matched although the edge goes to the SLS which is able to pull in each race. Even in the third run when the 458 gets a slight jump the SLS is able to pull slightly past. It's close, but surprisingly the SLS takes it.

      There are test numbers out there showing the Ferrari running close to high 10's @ almost 130 miles per hour. Just goes to show Ferrari might send ringers as they have been known to skew numbers in tests in their favor. Car and Driver got 11.6@126 for the SLS in the 1/4 mile versus 11.5@128 for the 458 Italia.

      What could explain this? The SLS is likely stronger from a roll than it is from a stop and the 458 gets a benefit in the 1/4 mile due to its weight plus mid-engine layout and launch control providing a better start from a stop.

      Simply an excellent video courtesy of user @AWD75 and it sheds some light on a very controversial video posted previously of a claimed "stock" SLS AMG versus a 458 Italia. In that video, the SLS crushes the 458 Italia and the conclusion was that the SLS could not be stock. With this video as support, this network stands by that previous claim. The previous video has since been set to private.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ***VIDEO*** Mercedes Benz SLS AMG vs Ferrari 458 Italia started by AWD75 View original post
      Comments 55 Comments
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It makes sense. The 458 is overrated in HP IMO:

        http://www.bimmerboost.com/attachmen...0&d=1284961166

        The SLS puts out more power stock.
        Yeah, that's a decent difference in amount of power on paper... I would have thought that the high redline/gearing advantage would make that up - but as we see, not the case.

        I didn't know the 458 would dyno that low regardless of all this - it's much more than I would have thought.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Yeah, that's a decent difference in amount of power on paper... I would have thought that the high redline/gearing advantage would make that up - but as we see, not the case.

        I didn't know the 458 would dyno that low regardless of all this - it's much more than I would have thought.
        I was surprised when I first saw it as well.
      1. SLS AMG's Avatar
        SLS AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Dude you are an IDIOT. IF the video of the SLS from last year that you referenced showed the SLS literally walking away from the 458, and the 3 videos in this thread shows the SLS only slightly ahead (less than a car length), then what would you call the SLS here ?? De Tuned ?? LOL, keep drinking the KoolAid moron.

        Do you know the term "FUBAR"?, aahahaha
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        be sure to goolge it dude, because thats exactley what just happened to you!

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      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        Nice SLS. I would take one any day over a 458. Looks like a real man's car, not like the 458 isn't buy the look is very masculine.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
        Do you know the term "FUBAR"?, aahahaha
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        be sure to goolge it dude, because thats exactley what just happened to you!

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        Don't need to Google it, I've seen the move and I'm glad to see you assimilating to western culture so well. LOL

        On the other hand, I think it's pretty clear that your comments about the SLS killing, raping and crushing the 458 are 100% wrong as evidenced by just about everyone else here.
      1. 63Master's Avatar
        63Master -
        @Sticky, I'm also an SLS owner. I have also raced a 458 when my SLS was stock and I walked it.

        @SLS AMG, the SLS's that we have in the gulf are more powerful than the ones in the USA. The US spec cars come with more restrictive cats and charcoals in the intake. The ones we have here are 10-15 rwhp more powerful. I believe the 458 emission standard is the same for all specs.


        @LZH, I think for someone who explained "with 100% consistency" that the SLS will not beat the 458, where Actually it does, needs to be silent. Whether a win by an inch or a mile. A stock SLS will always be ahead of a stock 458, which is something you disagreed on. Just admit you are wrong and drop it.


        @SLS AMG, @AWD75, and I own an SLS and have experienced this trial before. We all had somewhat similar results. You on the other hand, dont have the car nor have you experienced this trial and clearly you are runing the thread for personal reason between you and SLS. Sorry, but you have no credibility at all.

        SLS AMG , knows these cars very well and know how well they run. I know him personally, I'll take his word over you all day
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Yeah, that's a decent difference in amount of power on paper... I would have thought that the high redline/gearing advantage would make that up - but as we see, not the case.

        I didn't know the 458 would dyno that low regardless of all this - it's much more than I would have thought.
        I saw a vid. where 458 dynoed at 47X-48X wheel(i believe it was dynoed at hennessey). Also dyno #'s could differ from altitude, wheel/tire combination, humidity etc. So we should find vids of both cars getting dynoed at the same dyno.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        Nice SLS. I would take one any day over a 458. Looks like a real man's car, not like the 458 isn't buy the look is very masculine.
        Sls is more of a gentlemans car than 458 being more of a sports car but both looks very nice. I wonder how 458 scuderia gonna look?
      1. alex@ABRhouston's Avatar
        alex@ABRhouston -
        We messed with a scuderia spyder here at the shop for a while doing some stuff to it..... And lemme tell ya- its a REALLY fast shifting single clutch Click here to enlarge

        nice car, one of my favorite cars I have driven. Exhaust note is pure sex.
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        @AWD75 Nice video bro! I love this stuff man, keep them coming!!

        -TZ
      1. AWD75's Avatar
        AWD75 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        @AWD75 Nice video bro! I love this stuff man, keep them coming!!

        -TZ
        Thanks a lot man. More of exotic car footages are on the way Click here to enlarge
      1. NatAsp-M3's Avatar
        NatAsp-M3 -
        I saw it as quite close, but the SLS is faster from that roll. Regardless, that was VERY impressive for the SLS. If you've ever seen one with the hood up, it's so frickin long it will hit most garage roofs.
        Great video
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
        @Sticky , I'm also an SLS owner. I have also raced a 458 when my SLS was stock and I walked it.

        @SLS AMG , the SLS's that we have in the gulf are more powerful than the ones in the USA. The US spec cars come with more restrictive cats and charcoals in the intake. The ones we have here are 10-15 rwhp more powerful. I believe the 458 emission standard is the same for all specs.
        10-15 hp is not going to make enough difference for the SLS to "walk" "rape" "kill" or "crush" the 458. I don't know why you guys ignore what we all saw in the video. It's nothing personal, I like the SLS, but I also know what I saw in the three videos posted in this thread and as others have agreed, the races were very very close with the SLS only winning by a slight edge.
        And we know that both cars in this video were stock, so that pretty much proves that the SLS in the video from last year WAS NOT STOCK.


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
        @LZH , I think for someone who explained "with 100% consistency" that the SLS will not beat the 458, where Actually it does, needs to be silent. Whether a win by an inch or a mile. A stock SLS will always be ahead of a stock 458, which is something you disagreed on. Just admit you are wrong and drop it.
        First of all I never said "with 100% consistency".
        Second, I'll stand by what I know from my first hand experience and by what others here have confirmed. The two cars are so closely matched that I feel they are dead even. In one of the races from the video here, the SLS never pulls away from the 458. I'm not sure why you guys can't see that, yet instead put your usual biased spin on it saying the SLS "crushes" the 458. It clearly does not.


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
        @SLS AMG , @AWD75 , and I own an SLS and have experienced this trial before. We all had somewhat similar results. You on the other hand, dont have the car nor have you experienced this trial and clearly you are runing the thread for personal reason between you and SLS. Sorry, but you have no credibility at all.
        There is nothing personal at all. Why don't you go back and read the thread from the beginning, it was SLS AMG who started with his usual name calling and insults.
        My credibility is 100% intact because unlike you guys, I see the video for exactly what it is, a very close race with the 458 hangin right with the SLS. I guess you guys must be watching a different video, like the one from last year where the "stock" SLS pulled away hard form the 458.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
        SLS AMG , knows these cars very well and know how well they run. I know him personally, I'll take his word over you all day
        Oh no I'm going to lose sleep tonight Click here to enlarge
      1. kokostrollet's Avatar
        kokostrollet -
        Nuff said:

        http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

        Ferraris in tests are not "stock". There you have the reason for the unexpected difference when you actually compare to real stock cars to one another in a real life test situation.

        JMHOFWIW.
      1. 63Master's Avatar
        63Master -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by kokostrollet Click here to enlarge
        Nuff said:

        http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

        Ferraris in tests are not "stock". There you have the reason for the unexpected difference when you actually compare to real stock cars to one another in a real life test situation.

        JMHOFWIW.
        Thanks, that explains it!
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
        Thanks, that explains it!
        That doesn't explain anything in the context of what is being discussed here. But lets just suppose for a minute that its true. That would mean that the 458 in the video from last year was stock (because the SLS walked it hard) and the 458 in the video being discussed here was tuned (because it was able to hang right with the SLS).
        Either way, it doesn't explain anything and only further muddies the water.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        It should be clear to anyone the cars will be fairly close to one another. There won't be a huge difference between the two.
      1. 63Master's Avatar
        63Master -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It should be clear to anyone the cars will be fairly close to one another. There won't be a huge difference between the two.
        2-3 cars from what I experienced
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It should be clear to anyone the cars will be fairly close to one another. There won't be a huge difference between the two.
        Is there an echo in here ? Click here to enlarge
      1. supersixevo's Avatar
        supersixevo -
        Sorry to hi jack the thread with my question. 2 same cars one with higher torque but same HP which one should be faster? How much does torque influence the speed of the car?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by supersixevo Click here to enlarge
        Sorry to hi jack the thread with my question. 2 same cars one with higher torque but same HP which one should be faster? How much does torque influence the speed of the car?
        There's a lot of variables. Gearing, rpm, etc. Where is the torque made? Torque IS horsepower. Torque x rpm / 5252 = HP.

        So, the car making more torque at one point is making more hp likely but if it is making that torque at a different rpm and not revving as high well the lower torque car can compensate by increasing torque through gearing.