• $5k street race between Izzy Performance built motor E85 997.2 turbo versus sandbagging Foxbody Mustang (AV Boys)

      Hell of a street race here between a 911 Turbo and a Mustang. It's a street race that was negotiated for $5k and somehow the racers and spectators manage to essentially shut down a public street for the run. On one side you have a 2012 Porsche 997.2 Turbo running E85 and said to be built. That likely means built motor and upgraded turbos. On the other side you have a Foxbody Mustang said to be naturally aspirated with 331 cubes.

      On paper, this race should go the 911 Turbo's way especially considering it gets a car length and the hit. That is enough to make one raise their eyebrows and know something is up. The Porsche owner definitely should have known better. Especially considering there are videos online of this same Mustang taking down much stronger opponents like a 900 horsepower Corvette. Know your enemy.

      Video is below, enjoy and the Mustang shows why a properly prepped rear wheel drive can beat all wheel drive in a drag race.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: Mustang destroys built Porsche on the street (in car video) started by Spool View original post
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      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        From what I read, no it doesn't. And domestics are easier and cheaper to modify we all know that. A 30k mile M3 is how much money? How much does it take to build a domestic V8? Come on now. And we don't need to get into what it costs to build an M3 you already know that.
        That is a REALLY FAST manually shifted Mustang. Look at the Vette race. He had to lift big time in the Porsche vid but still pulled those cars. Yes I'd bet good $$$ there is a LOT of $$$ under the hood ;-)

        A cheap solid rear axle V8 car better be or else it has no other redeeming quality.
        'Murica
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        That Mustang probably has 'more under the hood' than the cost of a 30k mile E9X M3. 500whp is obv BS.

        My friend used to run in the now defunct NMRA Hot Street. 347ci 10,500 RPM N/A engine that ran 8.40s. That is an expensive engine.....

        He also has a pro-mod car. The engine and trans cost more than your E92M, all of your mods and my E46M combined.

        Like most of the serious drag racers, he has a lot of $$$. It has nothing to do with stretching a buck, they like drag racing and they pick the best car for the job. Mustangs are good for drag racing Click here to enlarge
        This. Sticky your way off base here, I'm around a lot of drag racers and trust me people with a good drag car have a fairly large amount of disposable income. Hell my 240 build isnt all that and there is 100k in it. To build some of these top drag cars(and I mean sportsman drag cars) you could easily spend 200-300k never mind buying a tow rig and the money it costs to attend events, up keep on the car etc. That mustang is A LOT closer to 500whp than you guys are thinking it just has been built and tested VERY well and works extremely well for what it is. If your M3 is so badass I would love to setup a run for you and this mustang and since you can piss away 5k I'm sure you'd do it just for giggles. Let me know.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        That is a REALLY FAST manually shifted Mustang. Look at the Vette race. He had to lift big time in the Porsche vid but still pulled those cars. Yes I'd bet good $$$ there is a LOT of $$$ under the hood ;-)
        It's fast and hooks but I really doubt there is all that much when put in context of what it costs to build other platforms. Mustangs have been figured out, done to death. Tons of cheaper parts, easy ways to get power, etc. It's simply the way it is with domestics. It will cost more to do it with something German, Italian, etc.


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        'Murica
        Exactly.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        This. Sticky your way off base here, I'm around a lot of drag racers and trust me people with a good drag car have a fairly large amount of disposable income. Hell my 240 build isnt all that and there is 100k in it. To build some of these top drag cars(and I mean sportsman drag cars) you could easily spend 200-300k never mind buying a tow rig and the money it costs to attend events, up keep on the car etc. That mustang is A LOT closer to 500whp than you guys are thinking it just has been built and tested VERY well and works extremely well for what it is. If your M3 is so badass I would love to setup a run for you and this mustang and since you can piss away 5k I'm sure you'd do it just for giggles. Let me know.
        Of course it depends. Sure, someone can be a billionaire and drive an old Lincoln town car too. I've been to the strip. I know who is dragging what and why.

        There are exceptions but the reality of the matter is people who have a bunch of money aren't trying to hustle $5k in a street race.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        If your M3 is so badass I would love to setup a run for you and this mustang and since you can piss away 5k I'm sure you'd do it just for giggles. Let me know.
        Well it is quite badass but I'm not stupid enough to claim M3's are all of a sudden going to become the drag strip weapon of choice versus Mustang's or that John Force is going to change everything he does now. Domestics will always rule the drag strip.

        That doesn't change anything I've written.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Of course it depends. Sure, someone can be a billionaire and drive an old Lincoln town car too. I've been to the strip. I know who is dragging what and why.

        There are exceptions but the reality of the matter is people who have a bunch of money aren't trying to hustle $5k in a street race.



        Well it is quite badass but I'm not stupid enough to claim M3's are all of a sudden going to become the drag strip weapon of choice versus Mustang's or that John Force is going to change everything he does now. Domestics will always rule the drag strip.

        That doesn't change anything I've written.
        First of all they were trying to run for 10k but the porsche wasnt having it. Second you dont know much if you think its all about the 5k. That grudge racing $#@! is fun as hell and the competition is a big part of why I wanted to build a drag only car.
      1. alex@ABRhouston's Avatar
        alex@ABRhouston -
        I would say all the big domestic race engines that go through my machinist's shop spends on average 15k minimum to be competitive.

        some spend less than 10, I can't tell you how many I have seen WAY north of 20+k.

        i agree with @Mike@VAC, knowing and seeing what goes thru on these race engines, you can spend a metric buttload of money getting a dependable competitive race engine
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
        I would say all the big domestic race engines that go through my machinist's shop spends on average 15k minimum to be competitive.

        some spend less than 10, I can't tell you how many I have seen WAY north of 20+k.

        i agree with @Mike@VAC, knowing and seeing what goes thru on these race engines, you can spend a metric buttload of money getting a dependable competitive race engine
        I know of a few people who have spent 30-35k plus on a sbnos motor. Hell if you want billet heads and block you can easily spend 50k.
      1. Wonder997's Avatar
        Wonder997 -
        Great race, silly fast Mustang. I'm amused that folks who have likely never raced for $5k find it trivial. That Mustang is likely $50k min into suspension, trans (note the no lift power shifts), motor and car. It's very likely under 3000lbs as well which doesn't hurt, that combined with 450-500whp can run into the 9's with ease.

        It's hooking up damn well and thats the win. Spanked a GTR, Z06 and a 911TT so far from what I have seen.
      1. alex@ABRhouston's Avatar
        alex@ABRhouston -
        That moostang makes WAY more than what it claims, I assure you
      1. Blaizon's Avatar
        Blaizon -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Of course you would.
        ...
      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        Can that mustang driver teach the new 5.0 Driver in the other thread how to shift! Click here to enlarge
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        This. Sticky your way off base here, I'm around a lot of drag racers and trust me people with a good drag car have a fairly large amount of disposable income. Hell my 240 build isnt all that and there is 100k in it. To build some of these top drag cars(and I mean sportsman drag cars) you could easily spend 200-300k never mind buying a tow rig and the money it costs to attend events, up keep on the car etc. That mustang is A LOT closer to 500whp than you guys are thinking it just has been built and tested VERY well and works extremely well for what it is. If your M3 is so badass I would love to setup a run for you and this mustang and since you can piss away 5k I'm sure you'd do it just for giggles. Let me know.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        First of all they were trying to run for 10k but the porsche wasnt having it. Second you dont know much if you think its all about the 5k. That grudge racing $#@! is fun as hell and the competition is a big part of why I wanted to build a drag only car.
        I love that some people here are not as dense and actually have some exposure to understand these things

        An Aside: Sticky how many times has your M3 seen the track? How many times has it seen the dyno? Just curious
      1. alex@ABRhouston's Avatar
        alex@ABRhouston -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onisyndicate Click here to enlarge
        Can that mustang driver teach the new 5.0 Driver in the other thread how to shift! Click here to enlarge
        My thoughts:
        That T5 is built.
        as in, fully built.
        as in, no-lift-shifts/straight cut gears/bronze shift forks/cut dog rings/hardened nickle gears/aftermarket guts

        And that all equals to "see the shift light-yank the shifter" and ultra quick shifts.
      1. RNS-11Z's Avatar
        RNS-11Z -
        A stock t5 can no way handle that power. I've broken a few t5 boxes with 300rwhp!
      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
        My thoughts:
        That T5 is built.
        as in, fully built.
        as in, no-lift-shifts/straight cut gears/bronze shift forks/cut dog rings/hardened nickle gears/aftermarket guts

        And that all equals to "see the shift light-yank the shifter" and ultra quick shifts.

        I was being sarcastic. I Just thought i'd throw in my two cents since this thread has a lot a chit chat!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        First of all they were trying to run for 10k but the porsche wasnt having it. Second you dont know much if you think its all about the 5k. That grudge racing $#@! is fun as hell and the competition is a big part of why I wanted to build a drag only car.
        If someone is building for the purpose of hustling street races that's simply stupid and something most guys modifying German cars are not doing as it's childish. Hence why posting wheel hp doesn't matter.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wonder997 Click here to enlarge
        Great race, silly fast Mustang. I'm amused that folks who have likely never raced for $5k find it trivial. That Mustang is likely $50k min into suspension, trans (note the no lift power shifts), motor and car. It's very likely under 3000lbs as well which doesn't hurt, that combined with 450-500whp can run into the 9's with ease.

        It's hooking up damn well and thats the win. Spanked a GTR, Z06 and a 911TT so far from what I have seen.
        I love how we're all overestimating all of a sudden what it takes to build a foxbody for drag racing especially versus new and import platform. It's night and day.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
        That moostang makes WAY more than what it claims, I assure you
        That part is definitely obvious.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        An Aside: Sticky how many times has your M3 seen the track? How many times has it seen the dyno? Just curious
        60-80 passes? Dyno, probably 5?
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        What does this super elite and baller M3 run with all it's awesome power piloted by the MAN HIMSELF that pisses on 5k and uses diamonds for ice in his beverage lol? 10.80's maybe at like 134-135?