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    • 335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

      Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.


      Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

      Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

      This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

      M3 is the camera car.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: New video-DCT m3 takes down a FBO 335 with jb4, downpipes, FMIC and intake started by Wannbm5 View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        I know he's getting his teams built, but ill leave that for another thread
        Teams?
      1. Linracing's Avatar
        Linracing -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Teams?
        I think he meant to say Trans.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        You of all people to comment about this. LOL You should have showed up at shift sector so you could have got your @$$ handed to you... The video is lower RPM rolling start, so don't tell me a high torque car won't pull on a low torque car... Talk about common sense. You can see what a FBO 335 does to a e92 M3 with FBO mods and tune... I provided two examples and yet you want to throw out trap speeds. WTF LOL It's nice that your charged M can run the same traps up top, just shows you're making good WHP... But don't forget who gets there quicker, torque... Smoke that in your tail pipe.. haha
        Ass handed to me by what? Haha, seriously?

        A 335i that can't beat stock internal M3's despite it's "huge" torque advantage?

        Common sense is you processing torque x rpm / 5252. Write it down backwards on your forehead please so you can read it when you look in the mirror.

        Who gets there quicker? Probably the car without turbo lag and geared more aggressively. And last I checked once you shift at redline you don't drop down to 1800 rpm.

        I love your comments not based in reality. REALITY: M3 makes better use of its power because it has a more efficient driveline hence why even on low boost with less whp and torque (no meth) it goes head to head with the Vishnu single turbo right? That's reality, smoke that if you need to: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...meth-injection

        I can't believe your head is buried so far in the sand and you want to act like you know what you're talking about. Hilarious.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Honestly, I just want a Vargas Stage 3 and a Gintani YSI (both 6MTs) to line up & have them run against each other.
        No problem. What do you guys think is going to happen? Guess you need to see how one sided it will be.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        I meant trans
        Ya there we go, trans.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        Not sure why people keep throwing out comps anyway with regard to 335 vs M3. The 335 is a better daily driver and with mods is a quick straight line car. But if you want to track your car, the M is a better choice no doubt in my mind. Granted, the 335 can be setup to track also. So depending on the argument, which this was straight line performance, there is no question in my mind I would take the 335 $ for $.
        First of all, the M3 is the better car all around not even close. The 335 is cheaper, that's it, this boils down to an inferiority complex. Drive an M3 and drive a 335 and it is no question which is the better drivers car or more fun to drive. The 335 boils down to a tune and some pulls. Wow, exciting.

        The only thing you have said that has any merit so far is $ for $. So you count your dollars while I spank you.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
        I assume most n54 guys would atleast admit a P31 C63 would beat a fbo n54? Here is a catless m3 taking a C63 P31 and leading the way up until really high speeds where c63 claws back. Maybe someone can explain this as well as they did the initial video. Right
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUoaKzogg14
        Some of these guys are just blind fanboys it is what it is.

        How an M3 beats the 335 which has more crank torque stock is something they can't seem to explain either. Like this Wedgde fellow talking about torque as if it 450 pound-feet at 3500 rpm versus 400 at 8500 means more torque is better. I'm amazed right now.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        Doesn't negate the fact that a well tuned & modified 335 will hand you're @$$ to you in a drag.
        I'll annihilate you if you want? On video for the forum to see? Just don't cry about it.
      1. WedgePerformance's Avatar
        WedgePerformance -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ass handed to me by what? Haha, seriously?

        A 335i that can't beat stock internal M3's despite it's "huge" torque advantage?

        Common sense is you processing torque x rpm / 5252. Write it down backwards on your forehead please so you can read it when you look in the mirror.

        Who gets there quicker? Probably the car without turbo lag and geared more aggressively. And last I checked once you shift at redline you don't drop down to 1800 rpm.

        I love your comments not based in reality. REALITY: M3 makes better use of its power because it has a more efficient driveline hence why even on low boost with less whp and torque (no meth) it goes head to head with the Vishnu single turbo right? That's reality, smoke that if you need to: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...meth-injection

        I can't believe your head is buried so far in the sand and you want to act like you know what you're talking about. Hilarious.
        We all know there are a few exceptions like Long Boarder with his stupid fast e92 M3... You might be one of them but we don't know that because you always have some lame @$$ excuse as to why you can't show up to an event that is held in your own back yard. LOL

        Funny that you can even do math without knowing reality. It wasn't my head buried in the sand as you can clearly see in the videos I posted... Clearly if I smoked them, Terry with his RB's would have put another 5 or 6 cars if not more. CaptainInsano would have put another 5 or 6 cars on top of Terry's RBs with his ST 335. Bolt-on modified tuned M3's and a stock C63's can't hold a candle to a FBO stock turbo 335. BTW, pulling video out of your @$$ to wipe the sand off your face won't work. LOL You might be able to shed doubt on those who weren't at Shift Sector or don't know how quick a well tuned FBO 335 is, but for those who do or were there, please... We all know the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. Get over it. BTW, nothing personal Sticky. Haha
      1. WedgePerformance's Avatar
        WedgePerformance -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'll annihilate you if you want? On video for the forum to see? Just don't cry about it.
        LOL, you have issues bro. You put a 450 whp 335 up against a 450 whp M3 then lets see who has the last laugh. You always want to bash everyone with your big $ M3. If I put as much money in my 335 as you have in your M3, who do you think would win? LOL Go back to surfing your porn or sipping your gin. haha Talk about a reality check. LOL Honestly, I think we would all love to see your car show up at an event. I personally want to see Prem hand you your ass with his ST e92 AT 335 once it's put back together. Now that would be a race you could post online as a pay-per-view and people would pay out the ass to see you get spanked like a little $#@!. LOL Now that would be funny...
      1. WedgePerformance's Avatar
        WedgePerformance -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So you count your dollars while I spank you.
        Haha, oh, Sticky!!! Harder Sticky, Harder. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        We all know there are a few exceptions like Long Boarder with his stupid fast e92 M3... You might be one of them but we don't know that because you always have some lame @$$ excuse as to why you can't show up to an event that is held in your own back yard. LOL

        Funny that you can even do math without knowing reality. It wasn't my head buried in the sand as you can clearly see in the videos I posted... Clearly if I smoked them, Terry with his RB's would have put another 5 or 6 cars if not more. CaptainInsano would have put another 5 or 6 cars on top of Terry's RBs with his ST 335. Bolt-on modified tuned M3's and a stock C63's can't hold a candle to a FBO stock turbo 335. BTW, pulling video out of your @$$ to wipe the sand off your face won't work. LOL You might be able to shed doubt on those who weren't at Shift Sector or don't know how quick a well tuned FBO 335 is, but for those who do or were there, please... We all know the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. Get over it. BTW, nothing personal Sticky. Haha
        My lame is excuse is making more power than any other E9X and making so much of it the clutches slip at 7250 rpm. That's a lame excuse? Sorry I'm making too much power that's pretty damn lame.

        I can't do math without knowing reality. Math is reality, so what are you talking about? "Clearly Terry would have..." so you're bench racing? Cool story bro.

        So me showing a video rather than typing about it is wrong? What about mentioning the M3 trap speeds? I ran 130 at ~570 whp. What N54 has done that? Uh, zero. Awesome torque figures though those CLEARLY matter more than gearing and torque at high rpm. Horsepower wins races son.

        Nothing personal at all I said I would personally wipe the floor with you for the forums amusement. Nothing personal just you seeing it for yourself in person.

        These next few months are going to be awesome.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        LOL, you have issues bro. You put a 450 whp 335 up against a 450 whp M3 then lets see who has the last laugh
        The M3... that's the point. Like all data has already shown you. Glad you are comparing HP now instead of peak torque figures. Makes a bit more sense eh?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        You always want to bash everyone with your big $ M3.
        Um, ya. Why else would I be building it for so long? I want to crush people.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        If I put as much money in my 335 as you have in your M3, who do you think would win?
        Me. Because I chose the better mod platform ultimately for HP and performance.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        LOL Go back to surfing your porn or sipping your gin.
        I don't sip gin. And I like the NWS section here.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        Talk about a reality check. LOL Honestly, I think we would all love to see your car show up at an event.
        It was just at Bimmerfest.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        I personally want to see Prem hand you your ass with his ST e92 AT 335 once it's put back together.
        And I want to see Kate Upton naked in my bed when I wake up in the morning. Neither of us is getting what we want.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        Now that would be a race you could post online as a pay-per-view and people would pay out the ass to see you get spanked like a little $#@!. LOL Now that would be funny...
        You can pick whatever N54 you want I don't care it isn't going to matter.
      1. WedgePerformance's Avatar
        WedgePerformance -
        Haha, slow down Sticky, no need to get your panties in a bunch. LOL We all know your car is fast, but it doesn't negate the fact that eventually the 335's will dominate straight line performance. So you can go back to doing your math and surfing the NWS section.
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ya there we go, trans.
        Yeah I was typing on my phone and it autocorrected
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        Haha, slow down Sticky, no need to get your panties in a bunch. LOL We all know your car is fast, but it doesn't negate the fact that eventually the 335's will dominate straight line performance. So you can go back to doing your math and surfing the NWS section.
        I'm sorry how do 335's dominate straight line performance when the M3 holds the ET record (on stock internals and less power/torque than the single turbo setups) and has beaten the N54 to every milestone? So, reality just doesn't matter?
      1. WedgePerformance's Avatar
        WedgePerformance -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm sorry how do 335's dominate straight line performance when the M3 holds the ET record (on stock internals and less power/torque than the single turbo setups) and has beaten the N54 to every milestone? So, reality just doesn't matter?
        Only time will tell. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
        Only time will tell. Click here to enlarge
        Well I love your faith. You keep at it while the rest use things like empirical evidence and science.
      1. justohigh's Avatar
        justohigh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Did get built not sure what you are talking about.
        The other guy was thinking ur 773whp was made on stock block and head. I was saying ur motor is built and one of ur replies was stock block and head, so I have no clue what u are talking about.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by justohigh Click here to enlarge
        The other guy was thinking ur 773whp was made on stock block and head. I was saying ur motor is built and one of ur replies was stock block and head, so I have no clue what u are talking about.
        The reply is exactly as stated it is the OEM block and OEM heads. Not sure what you are talking about again.