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    • 335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

      Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.


      Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

      Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

      This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

      M3 is the camera car.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: New video-DCT m3 takes down a FBO 335 with jb4, downpipes, FMIC and intake started by Wannbm5 View original post
      Comments 315 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Tq multiplication blah blah blah....everyone that is serious about modding a m3 gets a blower...why? Bc on the street, without a blower, the e9x m3 isn't a fast car. This is the argument LM makes, and this is what I thought when I test drove a m3. We aren't talking about track performance, I'm talking about driving on the street.

        I cant bring myself to spend more money on a slower car. When BMW gets the next gen m3 on the street,it will be a different story.

        I find it funny that every time a conversation comes up about the m3 having no tq, people start whipping out graphs, tq multiplication, blah blah. Comparing the s65 to a z06, really? Click here to enlarge

        The bottom line is, when you step out of a fbo 335, and turn the key on a e9x m3....it just feels dull
        Ya 400 horsepower cars are slow on the street. I had trouble merging when a prius was in the next lane. Seriously?

        The M3 is pretty damn quick as it sits. We're spoiled with horsepower here be realistic it's more power than the vast majority of cars on the road.

        The point with the comparison between the Z06 and M3 goes to show how the M3's gearing levels the playing field because it can be geared more aggressively due to revving higher. It's simply a fact.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
        I like how he has made it seem like the N54 owners are the ones making the attacks when this wannabem5 clown is the one putting up an incorrectly titled post and making a blanket statement that ALL stock M3's are faster than ALL FBO 335s... So dumb.
        Are N54 owners not speaking up for themselves or something? It's a headline, it's designed to catch your attention and I most certainly don't blame everyone. Just the dumb people.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        Truth

        @Sticky I wold love to see you take on some of these 335's
        What 335's? Why? I mean I'll gladly show the difference but the N54 has a ways to go. M3's, E46, E92, E36,etc., are all on a higher level right now.
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        @Sticky some of the upgraded turbo 335's or some of the guys that posted a few pages ago challenging any m3's. as for why, it would be a great race and really show what your car can do
      1. klipseracer's Avatar
        klipseracer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What 335's? Why? I mean I'll gladly show the difference but the N54 has a ways to go. M3's, E46, E92, E36,etc., are all on a higher level right now.
        How many 700rwhp+ dynos are there for the S65?

        EDIT: Not 699, 700+.
      1. SexiPYm3's Avatar
        SexiPYm3 -
        This topic simply will never die!!
      1. SexiPYm3's Avatar
        SexiPYm3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        @Sticky some of the upgraded turbo 335's or some of the guys that posted a few pages ago challenging any m3's. as for why, it would be a great race and really show what your car can do
        335's are damn fast when modded correctly, but don't let that mislead you to think they are fast enough to take on ANY M3 now. Several 700+ whp e92 M3s running around, more than a handful of 800+ whp E46 M3's rolling around that no 335 is even touching, and there are def a bunch of high hp E36 M3s out there too.
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Lol I'm fully aware. I just want to see some good races with comparable cars.
      1. govr46's Avatar
        govr46 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SexiPYm3 Click here to enlarge
        335's are damn fast when modded correctly, but don't let that mislead you to think they are fast enough to take on ANY M3 now. Several 700+ whp e92 M3s running around, more than a handful of 800+ whp E46 M3's rolling around that no 335 is even touching, and there are def a bunch of high hp E36 M3s out there too.
        Well, My car makes a little over 700WHP and my motor is completely stock. (Unlike any 700 or 800whp M3)

        Just think what a 335 could do with a built motor.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        I clearly said stock for stock. I admitted that a PROPERLY tuned 335i will put more torque down to the wheels?
        why would you bring up stock vs stock, of course the M3 is faster, no way would they let a non-m be faster in a straight line? - i didn't get that from your post though

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Hmm I guess that makes sense the more I think about it and break it down good points ! I guess I don't run into that problem personally because the c63/m156 has very good torque but also a great top end for a big displacement 6.2L v8 that never drops power up top and has a relatively high red Line for an engine of its size (7,200 rpm)
        yeah the M156 just tends to have THAT much more torque and holds it well

        it's a very very awesome V8
      1. Eleventeen's Avatar
        Eleventeen -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Stock Motor Supercharged S65 > FBO Stock Turbo 335 > FBO S65
        FBO S65 < FBO N54 < Pizza
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
        FBO S65 < FBO N54 < Pizza
        DEPENDS, where is the pizza from??
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
        How many 700rwhp+ dynos are there for the S65?

        EDIT: Not 699, 700+.
        All you need to know is an M3 exceeded anything an N54 has ever done without even running to redline or on highest boost. How big do you think the disparity really is at the moment? When the S65 gets turbos how much bigger will it get?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by govr46 Click here to enlarge
        Well, My car makes a little over 700WHP and my motor is completely stock. (Unlike any 700 or 800whp M3)
        I wonder if that has anything to do with compression ratios or the design of the OEM motor? Nah...
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        All you need to know is an M3 exceeded anything an N54 has ever done without even running to redline or on highest boost. How big do you think the disparity really is at the moment? When the S65 gets turbos how much bigger will it get?
        Lol, exactly. Try to get that through the south Florida N54 guys thick heads but they are ignorant as a rock.
      1. justohigh's Avatar
        justohigh -
        I thought the argument was FBO 335i vs stock M3?
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by govr46 Click here to enlarge
        Well, My car makes a little over 700WHP and my motor is completely stock. (Unlike any 700 or 800whp M3)

        Just think what a 335 could do with a built motor.
        N54 comes with stronger internals than the s65 from the factory. S65 was built to be light where as the n54 is more robust
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by justohigh Click here to enlarge
        I thought the argument was FBO 335i vs stock M3?
        It always devolves into 335 versus M3 overall ultimately.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        N54 comes with stronger internals than the s65 from the factory. S65 was built to be light where as the n54 is more robust
        Cast parts are stronger? And the N54 is designed to go to 8400 rpm? Please.
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
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        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky[/URL Click here to enlarge
        467247]Cast parts are stronger? And the N54 is designed to go to 8400 rpm? Please.
        I've read from several sources that the n54 had certain internal parts that were forged ( not sure which ones specifically, but I believe the pistons are). But the s65 has cast parts. I could be wrong but I've seen it several places
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