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    • 335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

      Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.


      Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

      Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

      This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

      M3 is the camera car.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: New video-DCT m3 takes down a FBO 335 with jb4, downpipes, FMIC and intake started by Wannbm5 View original post
      Comments 315 Comments
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        So, gearing doesn't matter? Torque multiplication is not real? Are you serious?
        Of course gearing matters, and I fully understand how gearing affects acceleration. What matters TO ME is, unless my m3 has a suprecharger, I'm slower than a lot of performance cars on the market today and I paid more money. Again, that's what matters to me. If I wanted a car for the track, it's hard to beat a e92 m, but I want a car for the street and I want that rush of acceleration.
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        wow STICKY you have opened the PANDORA'S box AGAIN on this issue!! LOL!!!!!
      1. aquaskr's Avatar
        aquaskr -
        Here's my favorite video on the M3/335i debate:



        It's an old but good one and so true in many ways!!!
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        Where do you live @Wannbm5 ? I didn't watch the video sorry if it states that in there..
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        It's cool for 335 owners to say "My car's faster than a M3."

        Whereas, "My M3 is faster than a 335" doesn't have the same appeal.

        However, "My M3 was beat by a 335" is a lot worse than "My 335 was beat by a M3."

        How $#@!ty would 335 and M3 owners feel if the 325 was faster?

        It's like the Game of Thrones. M3s are the Baratheons and 335s are the Lannisters. The Baratheons are supposed to be the King, but we all know who's really in charge Click here to enlarge
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        It's cool for 335 owners to say "My car's faster than a M3."

        Whereas, "My M3 is faster than a 335" doesn't have the same appeal.

        However, "My M3 was beat by a 335" is a lot worse than "My 335 was beat by a M3."

        How $#@!ty would 335 and M3 owners feel if the 325 was faster?

        It's like the Game of Thrones. M3s are the Baratheons and 335s are the Lannisters. The Baratheons are supposed to be the King, but we all know who's really in charge Click here to enlarge
        LOL repped.
      1. klipseracer's Avatar
        klipseracer -
        I like how he has made it seem like the N54 owners are the ones making the attacks when this wannabem5 clown is the one putting up an incorrectly titled post and making a blanket statement that ALL stock M3's are faster than ALL FBO 335s... So dumb.
      1. klipseracer's Avatar
        klipseracer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        I think this is getting all over the place. The point of the argument/debate was that this video is possible. We showed LM's car running (basically stock) a 60-130 time (M3) of 10.76s - and then compared it against some 335i cars (Attachment 31059) - some (most?) that would win - some (less?) that would lose.

        No one here is saying a 500-10000HP 335i is going to lose against a stock or FBO M3 - no one is saying this. The AVERAGE 335i - stock or FBO on pump gas - the one you run into 95% of the time on the road? That's a different story. That's all I am trying to say.

        Instead we are tossing around the fact that gearing doesn't matter (that is a C5 z06 with 405 HP in the graph btw), creating torque at the wheel numbers without factoring in RPM, etc... It's all over the place.

        Again, no one is saying the M3 is unbeatable here - I don't understand the fuss. Looking at roll on power, you can see that they CAN be pretty close - IF the 335i isn't tuned to "rape mode"... Click here to enlarge
        Thats not what this original post was about. He's OUTRIGHT stating that stock m3's wipe the floor with stock turbo FBO 335's. Don't change this into something that its not.
      1. Stucks's Avatar
        Stucks -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by zeel Click here to enlarge
        trollololol
        I like how nobody in here has acknowledged us when we have some of the fastest n54 cars with stock turbos and typical bolt ons. Maybe that n54 car in the vid wasnt healthy? The n54 is pretty finicky sometimes.

        I respect the m3 tremendously, but in a straight line a fbo 335i is faster than a stock m3. 6mt, dct, xyz, lmnop, whatever. I've raced 5+ local e9x m3's from stock to bolt ons, all with the same result. Zeel and I would be happy to do it again in mexico if you find us an e9x m3 driver local to the DMV.

        would i still rather have the m3? yes i would. nothing about justifying my purchase lol. its the better overall car, no doubt, especially when it comes to handling. But straightline speed is just not its forte, unless you dump 10+ grand on a blower kit.
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stucks Click here to enlarge
        I like how nobody in here has acknowledged us when we have some of the fastest n54 cars with stock turbos and typical bolt ons. Maybe that n54 car in the vid wasnt healthy? The n54 is pretty finicky sometimes.

        I respect the m3 tremendously, but in a straight line a fbo 335i is faster than a stock m3. 6mt, dct, xyz, lmnop, whatever. I've raced 5+ local e9x m3's from stock to bolt ons, all with the same result. Zeel and I would be happy to do it again in mexico if you find us an e9x m3 driver local to the DMV.

        would i still rather have the m3? yes i would. nothing about justifying my purchase lol. its the better overall car, no doubt, especially when it comes to handling. But straightline speed is just not its forte, unless you dump 10+ grand on a blower kit.
        Truth

        @Sticky I wold love to see you take on some of these 335's
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        one question.... WHO still CARES?!?
      1. Stucks's Avatar
        Stucks -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        Truth

        @Sticky I wold love to see you take on some of these 335's
        Stickys car makes 5 billion horsepower. That would not be fair at all, considering we have roughly 2-3 grand in mods vs all the money he has put towards his car. basic bolt on 335i's and stock m3's is the name of the game when it comes to this discussion.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Stock Motor Supercharged S65 > FBO Stock Turbo 335 > FBO S65


        The big question is where do the Vargas Stage 3s, Stroker S65 & Built Motor S65s fall into that hierarchy
      1. Ammonia's Avatar
        Ammonia -
        Good video. 335i seems slow for FBO, but idk what exact mods are on each car, apologies if they've been listed already. I've beaten many modded 335i's AND modded M3's because 135i's are clearly the best, duh.



        Click here to enlarge
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        I meant against an equally modded 335 (upgraded twins, single, whatever).
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Just too damn funny...
      1. JoshBoody's Avatar
        JoshBoody -
        Uh oh, I noticed in the S65 section that OP maybe in AZ… I’m in Tempe area with a FBO N54. I guess I have an obligation to put my car up for a race.
      1. Stucks's Avatar
        Stucks -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
        Uh oh, I noticed in the S65 section that OP maybe in AZ… I’m in Tempe area with a FBO N54. I guess I have an obligation to put my car up for a race.
        Yes, please do so! lol. AZ is much hotter than up here in MD on the east coast where the air is cooler.
      1. Stucks's Avatar
        Stucks -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        Stock Motor Supercharged S65 > FBO Stock Turbo 335 > FBO S65
        This.
      1. klipseracer's Avatar
        klipseracer -
        I'm local to AZ. Live in chandler. I'd like to watch/record.