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    • 335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

      Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.


      Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

      Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

      This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

      M3 is the camera car.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: New video-DCT m3 takes down a FBO 335 with jb4, downpipes, FMIC and intake started by Wannbm5 View original post
      Comments 315 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Linracing Click here to enlarge
        Sticky you aren't seeing the point. Okay we get it you have a M3 so you want to side with someone that is delusional and has a M3. Like I said in my previous post, I had BOTH E92 DCT FBO M3 and now have a E92 FBO AT 335. My 335 before I sold my M3 put 3-4 cars on my M3. We are not saying the M3 is a crappy car or can't be modded to go fast etc. The M3 is a fantastic car, looks amazing, sounds amazing and drives amazing. BUT we are comparing speeds between a FBO M3 and a FBO 335 Yes the 335 with 91 octane and M3 with 91 octane will be dead even or the M3 might get the edge, but once you put either e85 or run Meth the game changes...

        Basically

        FBO M3 DCT 91 octane VS FBO 335 AT 91 octane = close race can go either way
        FBO m3 DCT 100 race gas & meth VS FBO 335 AT E85 & meth = 335 pulling by 2-3 cars.

        Simple

        Highest traps for FBO N/A M3 is 118mph
        Highest raps for FBO Stock turbo 335 125mph

        That's a huge difference man.
        It's not because I have an M3 it's because everyone ganged up on him and I can balance this a bit more as it is one-sided.

        I know the specs, tuning, and modifications for both cars quite well. I know the stats quite well also. I corrected the aspects I saw as incorrect already.
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        I beat m3s on foot . With my car down I've gotten lightning fast esp with my new pumas.

        Every single car is different. I beat my friends manual m3 in my 370z that trapped 112. Sticky loves getting a rise out if n54 owners with this topic and it works every time lol


        If my car ran and was on stock turbos ... I'd run any m3 for any amount of money any day of the week at any time. That sums up my opinion Click here to enlarge with that said I've ran other n54s and annihilated them so this video is as valid as any other.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        I had a FBO 335i and was in the 335i scene for 6 years. They are fast, but on pump there nothing that serious when it comes to faster cars, you need race gas/ e85/meth to play with bigger boys. I think the video was pretty good showing what it is, the 335i did good and held super good up high.being on pump/
        There fast cars for what they are but a pain in the ass to keep fast and consistent. Basically one of the factors of why I let mine go. I played with a few DCT M3's with my 3 on pump vs pump, there fast not slow. I never demolished them on pump. I think more guys have to take there cars out to play and not assume because one guy beats one its the default. 6 spd M3's that I have run were on the slow side. Add meth/racegas to the 335i, and it will walk stock DCT as I have seen this. Never ran a FBO DCT M3 with my 3 with race gas or Meth so I wont comment.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        I had a FBO 335i and was in the 335i scene for 6 years. They are fast, but on pump there nothing that serious when it comes to faster cars, you need race gas/ e85/meth to play with bigger boys. I think the video was pretty good showing what it is, the 335i did good and held super good up high!
        There fast cars for what they are but a pain in the ass to keep fast and consistent. Basically one of the factors of why I let mine go. I played with a few DCT M3's with my 3, there fast not slow. I never demolished them on pump. I think more guys have to take there cars out to play and not assume because one guy beats one its the default. 6 spd M3's that I have run were on the slow side.
        Finally reasonable posts in this thread regarding the performance.
      1. Wannbm5's Avatar
        Wannbm5 -
        After 5 pages and not one person actually explains away this video? They post other videos which are not nearly as clearly stated, cleanly started and yet nobody can explain the video I posted? It was a bad n54 then I guess right? Who cares if you have drive or owned both? Feeling a car can be wildly different than how fast it goes if you measure it. It boils down to anyone getting that defensive is jelous. No m3 guy really cares when the n54 guys whine because we have the car they desire. It only works the other way around when they are jelous and insecure they go wild
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        With the money that half these n54 guys put into thier 335's they could all buy m3's....ur missing the point, can't say I didn't call that though
      1. zeel's Avatar
        zeel -
        trollololol
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        i like how this article ignores all the evidence posted to contrary... no bias at all.

        we're talking straight line on a highway here, and it's clear the original video the car isn't running as strongly as it could be...
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You're writing checks the N54 can't cash. I'd love to show you the ass whooping I'd give 100% of N54 owners on this website. Pick any one you want me to run I expect my trans to be done by the end of the month.
        Challenge accepted Click here to enlarge
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        If a car catches up and passes another car that was ahead of it, wouldn't that mean it's faster? We're talking basic physics of acceleration. That's what I saw at the end of the video. Anyone can get the jump on someone. I did it to my friends GTR all the time, didn't mean I'm faster.
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Lol this thread is ridiculous, people need to grow up. The 335 can be made fast just like the m3, at the end of the day it's all about who has the deepest pockets. I love the 335/n54 maybe even a little more than the e9x m3, but 40+ years from now people will be collecting m3's not 335's.
        ps: e46 m3/ s54 ftw
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
        Lol this thread is ridiculous, people need to grow up. The 335 can be made fast just like the m3, at the end of the day it's all about who has the deepest pockets. I love the 335/n54 maybe even a little more than the e9x m3, but 40+ years from now people will be collecting m3's not 335's.
        ps: e46 m3/ s54 ftw
        I agree 100%

        At the end of the day there will be more 335i faster than m3s in straight line, hell probably is more today. What people will collect is obvious.

        I am not about collecting and never will be, i also am not a track junkie and don't have the time, thus i pick the 335. it also fits my budget very well.
      1. sammy_0559's Avatar
        sammy_0559 -
        POPCORN lol

        not gonna post my 2 ton car vs an M3 lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        With the money that half these n54 guys put into thier 335's they could all buy m3's....ur missing the point, can't say I didn't call that though
        There's a fairly large monetary divide between the two let's be real. I hate the oh I coyld have an m3 argument as it's BS. Go ahead, do what I do with my M3. I don't mean you specifically bob.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        I agree 100%

        At the end of the day there will be more 335i faster than m3s in straight line, hell probably is more today. What people will collect is obvious.

        I am not about collecting and never will be, i also am not a track junkie and don't have the time, thus i pick the 335. it also fits my budget very well.
        The 335 is easier and cheaper to mod so you will see more because of that not because it's better.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        i like how this article ignores all the evidence posted to contrary... no bias at all.

        we're talking straight line on a highway here, and it's clear the original video the car isn't running as strongly as it could be...
        What evidence? Video is cgi?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
        If a car catches up and passes another car that was ahead of it, wouldn't that mean it's faster? We're talking basic physics of acceleration. That's what I saw at the end of the video. Anyone can get the jump on someone. I did it to my friends GTR all the time, didn't mean I'm faster.
        No it means it's faster at a certain mile per hour. The m3 is faster in the vast majority of acceleration spreads.
      1. Eleventeen's Avatar
        Eleventeen -
        Hey, posting a video of an M3 beating a 335i is fine, but... oh wait, that didn't happen. Not only is the OP spewing bull$#@!, but the 335 clearly pulled ahead before the end of the race. This is why the OP is getting frowned upon like a Catholic priest in a Chuck E. Cheese. Does the fact that a well modded N54 beat an M3 make me feel like king nut sack colossus? No, because it was up against at stock M3, so it's not really a huge accomplishment. The issue is the OP is full of $#@!.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What evidence? Video is cgi?
        what?
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No it means it's faster at a certain mile per hour. The m3 is faster in the vast majority of acceleration spreads.
        but how? when it has less midrange torque (therefore power)?