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    • 335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

      Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.


      Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

      Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

      This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

      M3 is the camera car.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: New video-DCT m3 takes down a FBO 335 with jb4, downpipes, FMIC and intake started by Wannbm5 View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        It has nothing to do with a n54 not winning, it's when someone goes on the n54 section and posts something that isn't true and clearly tried to start trouble....the rep system works, why are you feeding a troll? Bc he has a m3? Seems like your logic is more flawed @Sticky
        He did post this in the wrong section and was baiting people so he got what he deserved to a degree. But, I don't think punishing someone for fostering debate is in the spirit of this forum. He should be allowed to defend his position.

        Now, I don't think he did the best job of it but I still think he should be able to participate. You use your rep how you want and I will use mine how I want. It does work.

        I think this guy definitely needs to change his approach but do we really need to beat him up over what is obviously N54 owners taking offense over what happened in the video.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135idct Click here to enlarge
        my car is 135i jb4 map2 without fmic raced many m3s all races from 50mph rpm at 5 full boost 14.5 psi
        pulled 2 to 2.5 car on fbo m3, the stock m3 i pulled 4 to 5 cars length.


        m3 is nothing without SC
        M3 is nothing without SC? Nothing but a better drivers car versus something that is one dimensional. It's so exciting seeing the N54 measured in side by side bulls.

        400 whp is nothing? 100 wheel horsepower per liter? And you can stroke it? It's a pretty potent V8 even NA. Put the kool-aid down. I spanked plenty of 335's and didn't need a blower to do so.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RTA Click here to enlarge
        335 FBO>> M3 period... this discussion was already closed in 2009....
        When I ran at the strip in 2009 I was quicker in my mildly modded M3 than all but 4 N54's. All but 4.
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        bmw335iguy -
        Im sure most of you have seen this but I thought it was pretty fitting for this thread Click here to enlarge

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        This is obviously a joke, i've walked many stock m3's.....and anyone that has been in the bmw scene over the past 5 years knows the limits / speeds of the cars with mods. A fbo m3 is a quick car, but not quicker than a fbo 335 that is tuned properly. This thread is a waste of time, thanks!
        Come on man the 335 needs meth or race gas. 91 versus 91 what happens?

        How many 118+ trap speed full bolt on 335's are there really that you run into on the street everyday?
      1. zeel's Avatar
        zeel -
        I don't take much offense. I know my car trapped 123-124 with bolt ons and e60...no meth or racegas.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
        Whats your location? Plenty of 335 owners on this board that would love to educate you on the ass whooping a proper 335 would give you. ..and please say NE Florida, haven't had anyone to race in ages.
        You're writing checks the N54 can't cash. I'd love to show you the ass whooping I'd give 100% of N54 owners on this website. Pick any one you want me to run I expect my trans to be done by the end of the month.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        I will be the first to admit that a true/proper FBO 335i will run down a stock M3 with DCT; however, it's not as bad as anyone here is making it out.
        Voice of reason.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        He did post this in the wrong section and was baiting people so he got what he deserved to a degree. But, I don't think punishing someone for fostering debate is in the spirit of this forum. He should be allowed to defend his position.

        Now, I don't think he did the best job of it but I still think he should be able to participate. You use your rep how you want and I will use mine how I want. It does work.

        I think this guy definitely needs to change his approach but do we really need to beat him up over what is obviously N54 owners taking offense over what happened in the video.
        The public has spoken, that's how this forum is setup, you made it that way, now you want to change it? Why? Then you make it front page? Why?

        You need to look in the mirror....so one vid makes it true? There are 10 vids
        to his one that show a properly tuned fbo 335 will take a non supercharged m.

        Again, it has nothing to do with "fanboys" ....He was negged for everything you just said, his approach, where he posted it, etc. Why are you surprised?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Here is a video of me racing a supercharged E90 M3 when I had stock turbos... Click here to enlarge

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1O9q1g-9x8
        Terry remember I asked you to race when I was supercharged on the stock motor? You said no point.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Whoa... A stock M3's 0-160 km/h time is over 1.5 seconds (~8-10 car lengths?) quicker than a 1M. The M3 has almost 100 horsepower on the 1M. An M3 with or without DCT is a sub 10s car to 160km/h (100 MPH) - the 1M is a 10.5s-10.8s car. That's a huge difference - and a true testament to how quick a car is. Straight line = 0-100 MPH, and they aren't close... Sorry, but they aren't.

        I am the first to admit (see above) that a proper FBO 335i is faster than a stock M3, but this isn't right - the 1M is not as fast as an M3 stock for stock - unless I am misunderstanding something.
        And these guys think the OP is the delusional one. Great post.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        The public has spoken, that's how this forum is setup, you made it that way, now you want to change it? Why? Then you make it front page? Why?

        You need to look in the mirror....so one vid makes it true? There are 10 vids
        to his one that show a properly tuned fbo 335 will take a non supercharged m.

        Again, it has nothing to do with "fanboys" ....He was negged for everything you just said, his approach, where he posted it, etc. Why are you surprised?
        This isn't a democracy bob hence rep power. I don't disagree the public has spoken but so have I.

        I made it front page because as always it's a hot topic and believe it or not what people want to view/read. The N54 guys get plenty of great coverage showing them beating cars it's ok when one loses. Even to an M3. It's fine, really.

        I'm not as surprised as disappointed guys want to neg him into oblivion rather than engage him. We're here to talk. I'm sure we can all be reasonable and respect other viewpoints.

        Btw, I feel the OP has made a lot of mistakes especially technical ones for the record.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by zeel Click here to enlarge
        I don't take much offense. I know my car trapped 123-124 with bolt ons and e60...no meth or racegas.
        And yes that is faster than any bolt on M3 can match.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
        I don't think a M3 has 100hp more, maybe if you look at a brochure. Weren't stock 1M's dynoing around 320-330whp? And stock M3s dynoing 350whp? And when is the M3 actually making more power? After 6000rpm? Don't forget the big weight advantage (isn't it around 400lbs). I could be wrong, but that math adds up that what he is saying is plausible.
        The M3 is faster than the 1M all tests have already shown this. It's more powerful, has the faster trans, and the weight difference is only about 150 pounds as the 1M is at 3400 pounds at least that's what MotorTrend tested it at.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by amclint Click here to enlarge
        I agree that stock for stock a M3 is faster than an 1M, since I was reading around I figured I'd post some info I found:

        MT Comparo of 1M vs M3, 9.8 to 10.5 on the 0-100mph time. But 1/4 mile trap is ~4mph higher for the M3, so it's clearly walking away after ~70mph.

        Car lengths are a factor of time to distance, the M3 and the 1M in the comparo aren't all that far off in terms of 1/4 mile ET (.2 seconds would be a few car lengths). I see the two cars being nearly even in the 1/8th mile with the M3 moving out from the 1/8th to the 1/4 and obviously beyond that.

        Also should be noted that I found a few stock 1M cars that have personal vbox times just under 10 seconds as well as a few euro mags that claim 9.8s 0-160kph but the MT comparo was both cars run at the same place/time/temp/etc.

        http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
        Great post.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        This isn't a democracy bob hence rep power. I don't disagree the public has spoken but so have I.

        I made it front page because as always it's a hot topic and believe it or not what people want to view/read. The N54 guys get plenty of great coverage showing them beating cars it's ok when one loses. Even to an M3. It's fine, really.

        I'm not as surprised as disappointed guys want to neg him into oblivion rather than engage him. We're here to talk. I'm sure we can all be reasonable and respect other viewpoints.

        Btw, I feel the OP has made a lot of mistakes especially technical ones for the record.
        I hear what your saying but IMO you should just let things evolve..... That would be the last idiotic thread posted by him, now that his rep is back, get ready for more...

        The content stays relevant and intelligent bc if someone posts crap they pay for it with negs
      1. Linracing's Avatar
        Linracing -
        Sticky you aren't seeing the point. Okay we get it you have a M3 so you want to side with someone that is delusional and has a M3. Like I said in my previous post, I had BOTH E92 DCT FBO M3 and now have a E92 FBO AT 335. My 335 before I sold my M3 put 3-4 cars on my M3. We are not saying the M3 is a crappy car or can't be modded to go fast etc. The M3 is a fantastic car, looks amazing, sounds amazing and drives amazing. BUT we are comparing speeds between a FBO M3 and a FBO 335 Yes the 335 with 91 octane and M3 with 91 octane will be dead even or the M3 might get the edge, but once you put either e85 or run Meth the game changes...

        Basically

        FBO M3 DCT 91 octane VS FBO 335 AT 91 octane = close race can go either way
        FBO m3 DCT 100 race gas & meth VS FBO 335 AT E85 & meth = 335 pulling by 2-3 cars.

        Simple

        Highest traps for FBO N/A M3 is 118mph
        Highest raps for FBO Stock turbo 335 125mph

        That's a huge difference man.
      1. Linracing's Avatar
        Linracing -
        Now when Vargas kit releases and crazy 335 owners like myself get one and want to push it to the limit and see where the stock n54 engine is limited before blowing. Then we can talk Fully Built S65 m3 vs Stock motor N54 Upgraded turbo talk.

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      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Linracing Click here to enlarge
        Sticky you aren't seeing the point. Okay we get it you have a M3 so you want to side with someone that is delusional and has a M3. Like I said in my previous post, I had BOTH E92 DCT FBO M3 and now have a E92 FBO AT 335. My 335 before I sold my M3 put 3-4 cars on my M3. We are not saying the M3 is a crappy car or can't be modded to go fast etc. The M3 is a fantastic car, looks amazing, sounds amazing and drives amazing. BUT we are comparing speeds between a FBO M3 and a FBO 335 Yes the 335 with 91 octane and M3 with 91 octane will be dead even or the M3 might get the edge, but once you put either e85 or run Meth the game changes...

        Basically

        FBO M3 DCT 91 octane VS FBO 335 AT 91 octane = close race can go either way
        FBO m3 DCT 100 race gas & meth VS FBO 335 AT E85 & meth = 335 pulling by 2-3 cars.

        Simple

        Highest traps for FBO N/A M3 is 118mph
        Highest raps for FBO Stock turbo 335 125mph


        That's a huge difference man.
        Voice of reason, good post
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        I hear what your saying but IMO you should just let things evolve..... That would be the last idiotic thread posted by him, now that his rep is back, get ready for more...

        The content stays relevant and intelligent bc if someone posts crap they pay for it with negs
        If he does more I'll neg him. I personally prefer to correct him rather than silence him.

        I agree with you Bob.