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    • 335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

      Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.


      Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

      Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

      This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

      M3 is the camera car.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: New video-DCT m3 takes down a FBO 335 with jb4, downpipes, FMIC and intake started by Wannbm5 View original post
      Comments 315 Comments
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Dude you're higher than a kite... That 335 walks back up to and clearly shows itself starting to pull before letting out. Thats vs a bolt on M3, thats a L for the M
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        This is obviously a joke, i've walked many stock m3's.....and anyone that has been in the bmw scene over the past 5 years knows the limits / speeds of the cars with mods. A fbo m3 is a quick car, but not quicker than a fbo 335 that is tuned properly. This thread is a waste of time, thanks!
      1. Brey335i's Avatar
        Brey335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
        Well you can talk all you want. FBO M3's put down 400 whp which isn't the point since stock m3's beat a fbo 335 without methanol or e85 or upgraded turboes. The guy that does not usually argue does not comment on the video I posted or any other video that shows the same thing. So how do you explain the video I posted to keep it simple? THey both started in a good gear (I can see 3rd in the M3) and the 335 had a nice start, they were even with nobody jumping out and the m3 walks aawy until really high speeds where the 335 claws back for an instant.

        How people argue with video is absolutely amazing to me. I have walked many and most fbo 335's and only when they have meth or e85 do they take the lead. Whatever you 335 guys want to believe is fine. I though some evidence may get through to people but clearly its of no use. Turbo powah!!!!
        Well since you are such a racecar driver, why don't you tell us what your car does in the 1/4 mile and 60-130 as well.
      1. V8Bait's Avatar
        V8Bait -
        Lol waaat

        Obvious troll is obvious.
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
        Well you can talk all you want. FBO M3's put down 400 whp which isn't the point since stock m3's beat a fbo 335 without methanol or e85 or upgraded turboes. The guy that does not usually argue does not comment on the video I posted or any other video that shows the same thing. So how do you explain the video I posted to keep it simple? THey both started in a good gear (I can see 3rd in the M3) and the 335 had a nice start, they were even with nobody jumping out and the m3 walks aawy until really high speeds where the 335 claws back for an instant.

        How people argue with video is absolutely amazing to me. I have walked many and most fbo 335's and only when they have meth or e85 do they take the lead. Whatever you 335 guys want to believe is fine. I though some evidence may get through to people but clearly its of no use. Turbo powah!!!!
        Whats your location? Plenty of 335 owners on this board that would love to educate you on the ass whooping a proper 335 would give you. ..and please say NE Florida, haven't had anyone to race in ages.
      1. zeel's Avatar
        zeel -
        If in the DC/MD/NOVA area, I am down for some friendly comparo races.
      1. crazylegs's Avatar
        crazylegs -
        Pigs can fly
      1. rader1's Avatar
        rader1 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by zeel Click here to enlarge
        If in the DC/MD/NOVA area, I am down for some friendly comparo races.
        +1 to that.
        Hell, OP if you're willing to run i'll give you the hit and a couple cars.
      1. amclint's Avatar
        amclint -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135idct Click here to enlarge
        my car is 135i jb4 map2 without fmic raced many m3s all races from 50mph rpm at 5 full boost 14.5 psi
        pulled 2 to 2.5 car on fbo m3, the stock m3 i pulled 4 to 5 cars length.


        m3 is nothing without SC
        On 91 or 93 octane?

        I will give @Wannbm5 one thing, pump gas 335 to pump gas M3 the ass whooping the 335 gives isn't quite as much, but if the 335 is FBO and tuned properly it can make more than enough power to dispatch an M3. I vaguely remember a 91 octane, no meth, FBO car doing high 11s, will have to dig and see who it was.
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        If OP is in South Florida, ill be more than happy to play and spot a fbo m3 a couple of cars. Click here to enlarge
      1. justohigh's Avatar
        justohigh -
        I'm gonna say 335i was in the wrong gear. With all the instant torque our 335's have the 335i should have jumped atleast a car or two off the start. You can clearly see the 335i has more power than the m3 by how it pulls it near the end. When have you heard of a stock turbo 335i pull hard up top, especially against the high revving m3 (if power is equal)? My 335i feels like it falls on its face top end so that m3 is slow to get pulled up top.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Anyone who knows me knows I am a freak about M3s... I will be the first to admit that a true/proper FBO 335i will run down a stock M3 with DCT; however, it's not as bad as anyone here is making it out.

        Looking at @LostMarine 60-130 MPH time of 10.76s (stock - however, has BMC air filters and exhaust cutouts) vs. this list: Attachment 31029

        Here is his post on the runs: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...Personal-Best-)

        IT CAN be close, and the M3 CAN win - however, in most cases, I would say not.

        Point is, I think what we saw in the above video CAN happen - just usually doesn't.
      1. V8Bait's Avatar
        V8Bait -
        Ohh it most definitely CAN happen. The M3 is great on the high end, and the DCT shifts super fast. But there's just so much else to account for... was the 335i on ACN 91? How much boost? I've raced my buddies SRT8 and camaro on maps 0, 1, 2, and 5 with all different kinds of fuel just for the sake of comparison and I'll tell you right now some combinations were losing, some were close, some would smoke him with nothing but the tune. What is incorrect is the OP's generalizations.

        Thus, he is a troll. So best to stop feeding the troll.
      1. JoshBoody's Avatar
        JoshBoody -
        I have a confession… I repped him last night on my phone eagerly attempting a neg. I felt so bad and kept quiet until now as I could not take the guilt. Oh, I see someone else may have made a mistake also... don't let it eat you up inside.
      1. josh135's Avatar
        josh135 -
        I can find hundreds of videos of FBO 135i walking all day on m3's. Might be a different story on a track but in a straight line race FBO will beat a m3.
      1. BEAR-AvHistory's Avatar
        BEAR-AvHistory -
        Both cars pure stock

      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        It was an April fools joke from 2009 or so.
        i saw a fresh article this year as far as i remember :/

        the M3 ute is real though, never going to be sold and such though.
      1. 135idct's Avatar
        135idct -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by amclint Click here to enlarge
        On 91 or 93 octane?

        I will give @Wannbm5 one thing, pump gas 335 to pump gas M3 the ass whooping the 335 gives isn't quite as much, but if the 335 is FBO and tuned properly it can make more than enough power to dispatch an M3. I vaguely remember a 91 octane, no meth, FBO car doing high 11s, will have to dig and see who it was.
        93
      1. Eleventeen's Avatar
        Eleventeen -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHzpPz56qN8

        This is a perfect representation of real world race between two well driven cars. A stock dct m3 will slowly walk a fbo 335 until really high speeds where they even out.

        A FBO m3 will put a buslenth or 2 more.

        I am not sure why 335 guys continue to say a stock 335 is as fast and a tuned is out of this world faster. Reality is not true. Unless you go RB's or run meth plus/minus e85, then your looking at an even race or the 335 winning
        Okay, well in the video I just watched (which is obviously different than the one you were watching), the M3 got the hit and still fell behind the 335.

        Also, I have have been reading up on the N54 for over 4 years and I have yet to ever see someone state that a STOCK 335i is as fast as a DCT M3. You would have to be legally retarded to say that.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Here is a video of me racing a supercharged E90 M3 when I had stock turbos... Click here to enlarge