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    • Tuned BMW F10 M5 annihilates a Mercedes-Benz W204 C63 AMG Black Series? Really?

      This isn't even a race folks, it's an epic beatdown. An F10 M5 with a Manhart Racing "Stage 4" package just absolutely crushes a W204 C63 Black Series from a roll. A tuned F13 M6 with this same package was shown recently beating down a tuned Audi RS6 as well. All the Stage 4 package from Manhart Racing consists of is an ECU tune, exhaust, downpipes with cats still in place, and Gruppe M carbon airboxes. So bolt ons turn the M5/M6 into a monster?


      Now the S63TU twin turbo V8 will obviously see gains with an ECU but tune, intake, and exhaust but what is being depicted here is insane. GermanBoost network member @Pea was at the event where these Manhart tuned M5/M6's were running and he was not allowed to run them as they were making excuses.

      Were the opponents hand picked to make the M5/M6 look faster? A P31 C63 AMG recently beat a stock F10 M5 in a half mile roll on race yet here we see a tuned M5 absolutely crush a C63 AMG Black Series? A tuned M5 should win, no doubt about that, but not by instant bus lengths. The C63 never sounds like it is in the right RPM and actually sounds like the transmission has to kick down a gear before accelerating essentially giving the M5 a giant jump.

      This is yet another video from the same source that wants to portray the M5 and M6 as faster than they truly are. This would not be the first time a race was staged by this person for this purpose. Notice we never see videos of the tuned M5's or M6's at the events losing? Well, that's because Manhart sponsors the forum where these videos are published and it's much better for sales to show the cars doing what you see here below.

      Come to your own conclusion.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Tuned BMW F10 M5 annihilates a Mercedes-Benz W204 C63 AMG Black Series? Really? started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 44 Comments
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        I guess most of us were tricked $#@!ed by the video, its unfair to race a modded car to an OEM car, I find that BULLYING jajajajajajajajaja
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hworang00 Click here to enlarge
        I haven't been on here much, but that C63 doesn't even seem like it's going all that hard...and if it is...it sounds like it's in comfort mode. I might be wrong but I don't hear any paddle shifts and the fact that this car had to downshift gives me the idea it's in C. When I'm in S+ or even S...it waits to shift until it needs to and it's ALWAYS in the best gear for take off...
        i agree, you can even hear the rpms taper off. Ive seen an M5 destroy some cars, but that was just not believable
      1. 63Master's Avatar
        63Master -
        Manhart are using PP-Performance for thier ECU remapping. The video is pure BS though. An M5 would never do this to a BS. Not even a tuned one. I have spoken to the guys at PPP and they explained that the video is pure BS
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Gustav videos lost all credibility long time ago.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        A lot of these videos featuring PP-P tuned care are one sided. It's fishy.
      1. 63Master's Avatar
        63Master -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        A lot of these videos featuring PP-P tuned care are one sided. It's fishy.
        Well , they do tune very fast cars. They tend to be a bit more aggressive than other tuners. I have thier tune on two of my cars. They are really fast compared to other similar cars running with different tunes.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 63Master Click here to enlarge
        Well , they do tune very fast cars. They tend to be a bit more aggressive than other tuners. I have thier tune on two of my cars. They are really fast compared to other similar cars running with different tunes.
        I have no doubt Pelka can tune and tune well. But some of the videos as stated are just absurdly one sided from what are supposed to be tune only cars.

        This is why timeslips rule.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        This isn't even a race folks, it's an epic beatdown. An F10 M5 with a Manhart Racing "Stage 4" package just absolutely crushes a W204 C63 Black Series from a roll. A tuned F13 M6 with this same package was shown recently beating down a tuned Audi RS6 as well. All the Stage 4 package from Manhart Racing consists of is an ECU tune, exhaust, downpipes with cats still in place, and Gruppe M carbon airboxes. So bolt ons turn the M5/M6 into a monster?




        Yeah, the old man said only believe half of what you see and nothing you read... this looks too GOOD to be true

        BTW a really pretty black F10 M5 passed me on the Garden State parkway today like I was standing still as I read my speedo at 85mph.... much better looking car in the flesh than on "paper"
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        agreed..people act surprised when the car with almost 100 more hp wins...stock vs stock or tuned fbo vs tuned fbo, thats what I want to see

        Yes... I want to see something like a 500 whp 335i versus a 500 whp E9x M3 both with MANUAL trans go at it

        or a Weistec 700 hp E63 AMG vs an 700 hp AA S/C M3
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        Yes... I want to see something like a 500 whp 335i versus a 500 whp E9x M3 both with MANUAL trans go at it
        The M3 will always win a top end race provided equal HP. Shouldn't be a big difference but the longer the race the more the M3 will be favored with its curve with an SC.
      1. mjmarovi's Avatar
        mjmarovi -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
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        Yeah, the old man said only believe half of what you see and nothing you read... this looks too GOOD to be true

        BTW a really pretty black F10 M5 passed me on the Garden State parkway today like I was standing still as I read my speedo at 85mph.... much better looking car in the flesh than on "paper"
        Yup, LOVE the new F-body M5 as far as appearance goes, not sure I like the new 4 series or M4 over the current e92 body though, car just looks too small for the lines.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The M3 will always win a top end race provided equal HP. Shouldn't be a big difference but the longer the race the more the M3 will be favored with its curve with an SC.

        Had an interesting discussion with my old man's best friend who worked at Opel/GM for 40 years... he has an 2012 BMW M3... says it is the BEST production engine he has driven...... says with the right S/C, tune etc it is a frighteningly quick car.... then again those 335i and 335is with FBO are good in a str8 line to 100 mph
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        Had an interesting discussion with my old man's best friend who worked at Opel/GM for 40 years... he has an 2012 BMW M3... says it is the BEST production engine he has driven...... says with the right S/C, tune etc it is a frighteningly quick car.... then again those 335i and 335is with FBO are good in a str8 line to 100 mph
        It's a good engine with a strong top end, no doubt.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        Yes... I want to see something like a 500 whp 335i versus a 500 whp E9x M3 both with MANUAL trans go at it

        or a Weistec 700 hp E63 AMG vs an 700 hp AA S/C M3
        I can show you a 450hp 335is (dct) vs 500hp M3 dct.. the results are way to close for my comfort lol..
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        Had an interesting discussion with my old man's best friend who worked at Opel/GM for 40 years... he has an 2012 BMW M3... says it is the BEST production engine he has driven...... says with the right S/C, tune etc it is a frighteningly quick car.... then again those 335i and 335is with FBO are good in a str8 line to 100 mph
        With the right combination its a freakishly fast car
      1. bighorns's Avatar
        bighorns -
        I get everything you guys are saying here, but for a DD on the street, no one is looking for a "fair race", which is exactly why my car is tuned. Catching someone in the wrong gear, wrong mode, and whupping their stock muscle car at a light, or on the freeway is very satisfying. The point is, most owners of these cars don't mod them, so these tunes cater to people who just want a little edge over cars that should be faster, stock for stock. There's nothing like being able to make a lane change over someone who accelerates trying to deny you.
        These tuners are always going to exaggerate to promote sales, so it's always best to do your homework.
        Not criticizing anything that has been previously posted. Just giving a non-racer, street drivers 2 cents! Click here to enlarge
      1. BigM62's Avatar
        BigM62 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Gustav videos lost all credibility long time ago.
        +1. He is a big tool/troll. Take your pick.
      1. DFM's Avatar
        DFM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Gustav lost all credibility long time ago.
        fixt
      1. bigscore's Avatar
        bigscore -
        Sooo....

        The owner of the BS agreed to have his car humiliated on camera?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigscore Click here to enlarge
        Sooo....

        The owner of the BS agreed to have his car humiliated on camera?
        Stranger things have happened in his videos.