• The world's most powerful E92 M3, BimmerBoost.com Gintani Stage 3.5+ supercharged E92 M3 hits 773 wheel horsepower - Dynograph and video

      The world horsepower record for the E9X M3 S65 V8 currently stands at 773 wheel horsepower and belongs to Gintani as well as BimmerBoost.com, just do not expect it to stand for very long. At Bimmerfest 2013 Gintani had the BimmerBoost.com project E92 M3 on display. They worked tirelessly to get the car ready for the event and took it to the dyno the night before. On MS109 race gas and 18.5 pounds of boost the car was able to hit 773 wheel horsepower with the completely stock DCT transmission slipping at 7250 rpm.

      Looking at the dyno graph below it is easy to see where the clutches begin to slip. At about 4750 rpm the clutch slips a bit then grabs as the pull continues up to 7250 rpm where it slips again and is unable to hold the power as the car is run to its 8500 rpm redline. Regardless, 7250 rpm was enough for a new world record on the S65 V8 platform and overall on the E9X BMW platform.

      Gintani will be rebuilding the cars DCT transmission and once that is complete the car will be back on the dyno for a clean run to redline and another world record. Looking at the graph, the car should conservatively be capable of ~830 wheel horsepower at 18.5 psi with MS109. What will it do on FTW Purple and 24 psi? We will eventually find out.

      Enjoy the picture and graph below. There is a video included of the car at Bimmerfest 2013. A huge crowd was gathered around it. For some reason the announcer at Bimmerfest never notified the crowd that the world's most powerful E92 M3 was in the house and that a new world record had been achieved on the platform. I waited for hours for the announcement which was hand written and delivered to the announcer but to no avail. Additionally, the car did not win a single award despite being the E92 M3 on display that had the most work done to it. Perhaps it needed some tacky neon green trim and red roundels? Definitely odd and awkward considering the years of engineering that have gone into it and that Gintani was a sponsor of the event. Perhaps if a competitor was not the headline sponsor Gintani and this car would have received the acknowledgement that was deserved and earned?

      Congratulations to Gintani on raising the bar to where nobody else on the platform is able to tread. This car is just getting warmed up.











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      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        How do you inflate numbers with a slipping clutch? And how are they inflated? In what sense?

        http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...gif?1311323322
        Personally I have no idea. I'm sure ESS can manage doing that though. Bull$#@! artists them...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by keikdasneak Click here to enlarge
        This Dyno was done at Specialty Z dyno. Has nothing to do with Gintani. Terry goes there along with a lot of other cars... http://specialtyz.com/
        Exactly, guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        Nice! Those ysi's give me a headache though.
        The blower sounds like "get the $#@! out of my way" Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Team Plutonium Click here to enlarge
        If you break the world record you need to provide a little more than the currently shared data. Not because I'm doubting it, but because people are interested in finding out more. This has nothing to do with this being m3post or politics, if you start a thread with the headline 'world record!' people wanna see lots of data. I think that's pretty reasonable.
        Let me get this straight, a dynograph with slipping clutches done the night before BimmerFest to make the show doesn't impress you? Neither does the fact a new world record was set with 1250 more rpm to go? Meaning it kicks the living crap out of anything else without running to peak?

        And you need more data? You have a build thread on the trans how many pages long? You have dynos at every stage of the build. You have NA dyno, you have NA timeslips, you have supercharged dynos, you have supercharged timeslips, and now you have a built motor dyno, guess what will follow? Am I supposed to jump ahead in time for you?

        The problem here isn't a lack of anything from me it's that this idiot only reads m3post. This same guy asked why no pictures or videos were posted. They are here you $#@!ing moron.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Team Plutonium Click here to enlarge
        Yeah, I guess a rushed release then... these builds need proper documentation, especially if you break the world record. Big claims need serious backup. It does sound like a monster!
        Ya buddy, 3 years is a rushed release.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Team Plutonium Click here to enlarge
        Well, I just checked out the thread, the photos and the video. Are you kidding me? That is all the data Gintani and Sticky are providing? A photo of a paper print out of a dyno sheet inside a license plate frame? A video with some revving
        Are YOU kididng me? What are you supposed to do at a car show booth, set up an impromptu 1/4 mile strip and tell everyone to move out of the way?

        They aren't supposed to show a dyno?

        A video of the car running and showing the sound of the YSI, headers, and exhaust for the crowd sucks apparently?

        What were the ESS cars doing? 60-130 runs through the crowd?

        Kindly jump off the tallest bridge you can find or at the very least get sterilized.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Lol at the commentary.
      1. mm28's Avatar
        mm28 -
        congrats Sticky, and enjoy the car in good health!
        as far as show awards, you basically need some combination of wide body, lambo doors, colored rims and neon paint jobs to even get look at by the judges, thats just the way they operates.
      1. daemonicus's Avatar
        daemonicus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
        Jeeezuzzzz....770whp at 7500RPM in DynoJet STD....freaking NUTS.
        i'm all for the s65 coming into it's own and i applaud sticky for setting a new record, but why is that "freaking nuts"? a stage 2 maxpsi e46 turbo makes slightly less whp, more torque under the curve until about 6000 rpm, the dyno smoothing set to 0 which looks almost identical to his set at the max of 5, and even though pricing hasn't been released, i can almost guarantee costs much less than what he's paid to have gintani build his car.

        i like all forced induction, but peak torque at 7200 rpm? not for me. i'd rather have slightly less and ride it out from 5 to redline.

        For some reason the announcer at Bimmerfest never notified the crowd that the world's most powerful E92 M3 was in the house and that a new world record had been achieved on the platform. I waited for hours for the announcement which was hand written and delivered to the announcer but to no avail. Additionally, the car did not win a single award despite being the E92 M3 on display that had the most work done to it. Perhaps it needed some tacky neon green trim and red roundels? Definitely odd and awkward considering the years of engineering that have gone into it and that Gintani was a sponsor of the event. Perhaps if a competitor was not the headline sponsor Gintani and this car would have received the acknowledgement that was deserved and earned?

        i totally understand how you must feel, but come on...you dont need to win an award just to make you feel better, do you? setting the world record wasn't enough? you needed everyone to flock to your car and congratulate you on it to make you feel better?

        again, i'm not trying to take away from your moment of glory, just trying to put things into perspective.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daemonicus Click here to enlarge
        again, i'm not trying to take away from your moment of glory, just trying to put things into perspective.
        odd, considering you just tried to discredit the fact that its obliterated the now 2nd closest S65 in hp, and has plenty of rpm and boost left..
      1. crazylegs's Avatar
        crazylegs -
        congrats sticky looking forward to your mexico videos Click here to enlarge
      1. bigup's Avatar
        bigup -
        Congrats Sticky & Gintani!

        Can't wait to see some times once the transmission issues are resolved!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daemonicus Click here to enlarge
        i'm all for the s65 coming into it's own and i applaud sticky for setting a new record, but why is that "freaking nuts"? a stage 2 maxpsi e46 turbo makes slightly less whp, more torque under the curve until about 6000 rpm, the dyno smoothing set to 0 which looks almost identical to his set at the max of 5, and even though pricing hasn't been released, i can almost guarantee costs much less than what he's paid to have gintani build his car.

        i like all forced induction, but peak torque at 7200 rpm? not for me. i'd rather have slightly less and ride it out from 5 to redline.
        Then go get a turbo E46 M3 if that is what you want.

        This is a centrifugal blower and the idea is torque is added as you rev. The beauty being a linear curve and that it is easier on the driveline.

        7250 rpm with 773 whp with another 1250 rpm to go... I guess you don't get what will happen.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daemonicus Click here to enlarge
        i totally understand how you must feel, but come on...you dont need to win an award just to make you feel better, do you?
        No, I'm highlighting the obvious bias which goes to show the awards are basically purchased. They don't mean anything. All I wanted was the announcer to make the announcement and not even that happened. So I think I have a fairly good point highlighting the bias.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daemonicus Click here to enlarge
        again, i'm not trying to take away from your moment of glory, just trying to put things into perspective.
        And I completely disagree with your perspective. And don't worry about it, this is just the beginning. That's just my perspective.
      1. ajm8127's Avatar
        ajm8127 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daemonicus Click here to enlarge
        peak torque at 7200 rpm? not for me.
        You know this is not indicative of the engine's torque peak but of the DCT slipping at 7.2 krpm, right? The dyno is preliminary. Torque is looking very linear until the slipping begins, so I would expect it to ride out a bit further. The final peak horsepower and torque numbers will be higher.

        This is the problem with posting half finished results on the internet, people cast aside all caveats and take what was posted as the end all be all, despite cautionary comments not to do so.

        Sticky, I applaud you and look forward to seeing the final result.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigup Click here to enlarge
        Congrats Sticky & Gintani!

        Can't wait to see some times once the transmission issues are resolved!
        Just a matter of getting some parts and letting Gintani go to work. Can't wait to the next set of numbers.

        Haters are saying if you make a world record claim you need more to back it up. Um, a dyno isn't enough apparently?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ajm8127 Click here to enlarge
        You know this is not indicative of the engine's torque peak but of the DCT slipping at 7.2 krpm, right? The dyno is preliminary. Torque is looking very linear until the slipping begins, so I would expect it to ride out a bit further. The final peak horsepower and torque numbers will be higher.

        This is the problem with posting half finished results on the internet, people cast aside all caveats and take what was posted as the end all be all, despite cautionary comments not to do so.

        Sticky, I applaud you and look forward to seeing the final result.
        Some people are just stupid. I was reading some of the ridiculous points people were making on another site. I mean, post results of a new record hit right before a show and that is not good enough apparently. I have no clue what someone expects at this point. 1/4 mile passes on a slipping clutch? It's never good enough because I'm running the wrong companies setup I guess.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Funny to see Drew's hate. It's a shame he's too scared to line up now Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Let's address a few points from an ESS hater with a baby blower:

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Team Plutonium Click here to enlarge
        * He's not the first to sleeve his block, he's about the tenth.
        * He's not the first to use Carrillo rods, he's at least the twentieth.
        * He's not the first to use head studs, he's about the fifth.
        * He's not the first to build a low compression motor, he's about the fifth.
        * He's not the first to use a V7-YSI blower, he's at least the fifth.
        * He's not the first to use a bigger oil cooler, he's about the one thousandth.
        * He's not the first to try 20 PSI, he's at least the third.
        * He's not the first to get a blown tranny by SSP, he's at least the second.
        * He's not even the RWHP record holder, another Gintani employee is.
        No I'm not the first to sleeve my bock and never claimed I was. However, my block was being sleeved years ago care to tell me who started on a built motor application before me? Because I know exactly who did. As a matter of fact, there were no VT3's at this time. So me being the tenth is off unless you can list all those people. Try the second or third, and way back when I started the trans build. Never saw anything from anyone else at this time.

        Who are all these people in front of me using forged rods? Not that it matters but would you mind listing them? Or are we just guessing in an effort to offer backhanded compliments?

        The head studs? Um, they were developed for my motor. So try first/second depending on which S65 they put it on first.

        I'm the fifth to run the YSI? Then why are these the first YSI dynojet numbers? Where are the other four dudes? Well? The Gintani shop car running the YSI is now running a different setup. I can't think of all these other YSI supercharged cars and why they aren't challenging for the top spot. We can all agree ESS doesn't have one...

        One thousandth to use a bigger oil cooler. Ok, well, I'm glad you're keeping track of that list.

        I'm not the first to try 20 psi. I haven't tried 20 psi period yet so not sure what to tell you and I haven't seen any 20 psi S65 V8 dynos have you? BimmerBoost tends to have all the technical content so I'm wondering where this is coming from.

        I'm the second to get a blown tranny by SSP. Oh, you mean Drew? Who got his parts thanks to my development? Ya, thanks so much for noticing that.

        I'm not the RWHP holder? Last I checked that is the highest dyno posted for an S65 V8. Gintani will have another setup coming out when it's done, which will again show who's boss on the platform, and if I wish to switch to it I will. For now this is the setup getting pushed and the current world record holder. Gintani is at the top, has been for some time.

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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Ok let's correct more stupid people:

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Buck Rodgers Click here to enlarge
        If I were Gintani I would not show up to an event like Bimmerfest with a dyno chart that can't run past 7200 RPM and brag. There is no proof that the 7200 RPM limit is the clutch, it could very easily be the fuel delivery system or tuning
        Not show up with a chart showing the most powerful M3 at the show, finished in time for the show, as a nice surprise partially for me? Yes, how horrible of them. Evil people!

        How about if I were you I would congratulate them on going where nobody else has gone?

        No proof 7200 rpm is the clutch eh? So when it's slipping on the dyno and they tell you it is slipping and you can see it ON THE GRAPH that isn't proof? And the fact you see it slipping at lower RPM as well? L O L

        And you say that's the tune or fuel? So the fuel system is responsible for what you see in the graph at 4750 rpm? And if the car is running out of fuel supposedly it still pulls to 8500 rpm? And the torque drop looks exactly like what a slipping clutch should look like?

        I mean, can't you hate better than this? Can't you at least try to do a good job? Or... maybe just appreciate a great build?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Buck Rodgers Click here to enlarge
        Sticky is Gintani for those that do not know. He has been the spokesman for the company from the day he got involved with them. They will say different but there are things he posts on his crappy site that could only come from the guys at Gintani directly. Sticky and Gintani both claimed Jeremy was the best BMW tuner in the world back when he did the tuning for Gintani now he is a scum bag according to them and they have parted ways.
        Last I checked Jeremy is a vendor on this site so what are you talking about? And I'm Gintani? This is news to me. I'm not their spokesperson they are building me a car. I'm as much Gintani as Drew is ESS then.

        Crappy site has the most powerful BMW's and you don't have the balls to talk to me here where people actually can, you know, talk... Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BuckRodgers Click here to enlarge
        I would expect that in 3 years you could figure out what power you can deliver properly to factory redline.
        Oh, right, yes, you are supposed to know exactly where the DCT will slip and how. Well, we do know that now so they did figure out what you can hold. Not 500 wheel torque past 7250 rpm. You aren't glad somebody actually tried this? You would be much happier with just weaker numbers that don't slip?

        Oh yes, nobody should push the platform or figure out the limits. I love the dark ages of M3post.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Buck Rodgers Click here to enlarge
        Cramming a ton of boost into the motor to make an incomplete product then running around telling everyone they should be impressed is not how it is done.
        You are right. Craming in 18.5 psi and setting a new record at 7250 and telling people more is coming is how it is done. Beating the best people have achieved while essentially showing a sandbagged dyno means you just smacked the living crap out of the competition while not even being at your best. I just dragged my balls across the face of previous record holder without even trying.

        Why don't you sit back and watch as the bar is raised even further? Why don't you appreciate the process and show some admiration for the time and work involved? You can prepare your apology in the meantime.

        Thank you Gintani for surprising me with my car and showing the capability. The next round is going to be even more impressive although the disparity is so large it's going to be boring without any competition.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ajm8127 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky, I applaud you and look forward to seeing the final result.
        Now I'm fired up. I was content with just letting the ESS fanboys tuck their tails between their legs but now I am going to hunt them down and embarrass them on video.