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    • Stock C6 Z06 versus stock F10 M5 highway roll on races - M5 wins? WTF?

      This is a bit of a perplexing run video. What we have here is two cars claimed to be stock, A C6 Z06 and the new F10 M5. The two cars do several runs from a roll on the highway from speeds of 80 kilometers per hour (50 miles per hour). The Z06 is just over 1000 pounds lighter than the F10 M5. It does not give up a ton horsepower wise showing around ~450 wheel horsepower stock versus the F10 M5 which sits at about ~60 wheel horsepower more.


      So the F10 M5 makes more power but has another 1000 pounds to carry around. The F10 M5 has also lost to a stock P31 C63 AMG in a roll on race which weighs 700-800 pounds more than the Z06 and makes roughly 35 less horsepower at the wheels than the Z06. So, BimmerBoost is left scratching its head on this one.

      Even magazines routinely get ~125 miles per hour of the C6 Z06 in the 1/4 mile whereas the the M5 is in the ~120 range trap speed range meaning the C6 Z06 is favored from a roll, favored from a stop due to its weight, favored basically everywhere. The fastest 1/4 mile trap speed recorded for a stock F10 M5 is Car and Driver with a 122 mile per hour trap but Car and Driver got 126 for the Z06 so... these races make no sense.

      The Z06 simply has a much better power to weight ratio so why the result is what it is I have no clue. The M5 clearly pulls up top in multiple runs whether it gets the jump or not. Let's just hope F10 M5 owners don't start thinking their car is now a Z06 beater as this will no doubt inflate some egos. From the looks of things though the M6 may have a shot to at least make it a race against the C6 Z06 with how it has shown against the Nissan GTR recently.

      Video is below, you make sense of it.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: F10 M5 vs C6Z, both stock started by Drunkenup View original post
      Comments 73 Comments
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Yup it was a newer 2012+ C63 with the new MCT transmission which has proven itself stock(P31) to beat a pre 2012 c63 with the old auto and that pre 12 car had a tune/intake/and secondary cat delete. So dont discount the c 63 because it has showed what it can do head to head with these cars. Also the 2012+ c63 with P31 package is rated at 481 crank but dynos have showed it to be under rated its basically tuned from the factory.

        I raced a random z06 a few times from a down low roll and was putting lengths on this guy right of the bat and kept pulling (my car isnt stock ~480whp on a dynojet) but than when one of my boys set me up with a race against a guy with a z06 and the dude flat out knew how to drive his car and was walking me pretty good from a bunch of different speed rolls. High HP manual cars are very dependent on the driver
      1. Jeffman's Avatar
        Jeffman -
        These knuckleheads shouldn't be playing in traffic! I don't give a f^ck if they kill themselves, but I do care if they hurt or kill somebody else!
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        anything can happen on the street...it's why bench racing like this is pointless (but I'm preaching to the choir; this is what car guys do now instead of racing...it's safer I guess for the egos)
      1. Wonder997's Avatar
        Wonder997 -
        Z06 seems slow for what it is... F10 pulls which is impressive.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wonder997 Click here to enlarge
        Z06 seems slow for what it is... F10 pulls which is impressive.
        The Z06 is a damn fast car though... and all motor.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        No Way M5 is stock!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        No Way M5 is stock!
        Definitely makes you wonder. I'm having trouble explaining it.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        Well on any given Sunday is that phrase in sports... My view is the M is clearly a fast ride, I suspect this guy started in the wrong gear with the Z06. He could have dropped a gear and had the room to run before shifting, thats the biggest factor IMO. Beyond that the M is driven well and if its stock thats damn impressive, hell if its a tune only its still impressive.
      1. onurleft's Avatar
        onurleft -
        I am skeptical. However a Z06 (usually) is only going to trap 125+ with negative DA and something like 1.65 60ft. On average i'd say it's more around 11.1-11.4@122-124 with precision driving at your average track.

        We've never once seen an F10 M5 run in those optimal conditions, and there's a lottt of weight to get moving in the first few hundred feet
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
        On average i'd say it's more around 11.1-11.4@122-124 with precision driving at your average track.
        Definitely agree but the M5 is likely 121 at best? So the Z06 should still have the edge but the M5 cleanly pulls away.

        Other vids we have seen of the M5 have not shown this strength. The M6 vids though are damn good.

        All confusing eh?
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        It's only confusing if you bench race incessantly... When talking about cars with like less than 5 mph between them; this is an exercise in futility (aka a $#@!ing wash). Guys are more concerned with brochure/magazine figures than anything else now; leads to safe racing and excessive bench racing (all bad things in the name of healthy competition). I'm glad the owners of the vehicles are just out doing the damn thing instead of debating though (thumbs up to them)Click here to enlarge
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        It's only confusing if you bench race incessantly... When talking about cars with like less than 5 mph between them; this is an exercise in futility (aka a $#@!ing wash). Guys are more concerned with brochure/magazine figures than anything else now; leads to safe racing and excessive bench racing (all bad things in the name of healthy competition). I'm glad the owners of the vehicles are just out doing the damn thing instead of debating though (thumbs up to them)Click here to enlarge
        5 MPH is a lot though, that's the thing... It's not a little - it's a lot.

        If figures don't come from magazines/trusted sources - then they come from races like this. Recursion begins (in other words, chicken before the egg?)
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        Go to the track...it never lies and provides something objective to go on. Street races aren't telling you anything other than how those specific cars fair against each other (not all cars of the same model)
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        When talking about cars with like less than 5 mph between them; this is an exercise in futility (aka a $#@!ing wash)
        I don't know what you're talking about because 5 miles per hour is huge, not a wash.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        5 MPH is a lot though, that's the thing... It's not a little - it's a lot.
        Exactly.
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        continue pressing your mind over it...street races often don't play out like they do in the magazine. At the track you have no clue as to what either of those cars trap; you have figures from other cars from different areas. I've seen stock C6z go anywhere from 121-126; owners report traps that vary widely...what makes you think you have a grasp on exactly how these two cars are running from a random street racing video? Give me a break...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        At the track you have no clue as to what either of those cars trap
        How do I not exactly?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        what makes you think you have a grasp on exactly how these two cars are running from a random street racing video? Give me a break...
        Their weight, power, and entire body of achieved results? What, are we just randomly guessing here?

        So I have no idea how a 458 Italia and a Camry will fare in a race? Give ME a break...
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        Continue bench racing...I'm speaking french to you. These aren't camrys and italia 458's...they are two 11 second cars that trap anywhere from 120-125 (stock C6z's have trapped as low as 120-121)....aka comparable cars

        If everything played out just based on magazine results and brochure figures what's the point of the track? That's right; most bench racers never make it to the track. Dyno chart racing is cool; but real world results don't always follow suit
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        they are two 11 second cars that trap anywhere from 120-125 (stock C6z's have trapped as low as 120-121)....aka comparable cars
        I have never seen a 125 stock from an F10 M5.

        I mean, it's bench racing to actually look at the power to weight of the cars? The Z06 isn't just a little bit lighter here.

        The Z06 rountinely out traps it.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        If everything played out just based on magazine results and brochure figures what's the point of the track?
        To test modifications and going beyond the stock car? Plus to confirm what the magazines hit and test yourself? I mean the capability of the car and the physics don't randomly change constantly.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lvlemphiz Click here to enlarge
        That's right; most bench racers never make it to the track.
        I'm not sure if anyone needs to make it to the track to figure out if a 458 will beat a camry. But I happen to make it to the track and I think there are valid questions raised by this video.

        The F10 M5 loses to a C63 AMG but now beats a Z06 which is the faster car? And you are making sense how exactly?
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        I don't see your logic...I've seen c6z's trap under 125 lol (as low as 120-121).. This is the part you are glossing over. You are taking the best results of the C6z and comparing it...what about everything in between? From the best trapping stock C6 to the least? You are assuming BEST CASE SCENARIOS and guess what? That's not always the case