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    • Russians claiming a 1300+ wheel horsepower S85 V10 E63 M6 with nitrous plus ESS-Tuning supercharger kit? The miracle at the dyno

      So let's see here, some random Russian garage is claiming 1370 wheel horsepower (seriously) with an ESS-Tuning supercharged E63 M6 and nitrous. The claim is with 98 octane fuel and a stock motor no less. I mean if you are going to lie at least make it somewhat believable. The most powerful S85 V10 in the world is V.S. Motors twin turbo S85 V10 with an output of 1850 horses on methanol with a 4.8 liter block whose bore was decreased for more material.


      Now you are telling me some random Russian garage with an ESS kit running a tiny V3si blower (That the 4.0 liter S65 V8 in the M3 is capable of easily maxing) with some nitrous thrown on top is making 1370 wheel horsepower on 98 octane gas with 14.5 psi of boost and nitrous? Oh that's funny.

      If this shop wants to prove this, run the dyno in shootout mode please. What you see here is dyno manipulation at its finest. It's a load of crap ladies and gentlemen. First of all, RPI on a Dyno Dynamics with a full bolt on M5 plus the ESS supercharger kit only managed 576.8 wheel horsepower. So another 800 wheel horsepower is just some more boost and nitrous away? That isn't an optimistic dyno the Russians are just running, it is full on capable of miracles.

      The V3si due to the volumetric efficiency of the S85 likely won't even hit 14.5 psi without being severely overspun. The blower is only listed as capable of supporting 775 horsepower at the crank anyway by Vortech:


      ESS-Tuning themselves claims on 93 octane AKI (98 RON, like what the Russians are claiming to use) 640 horsepower at the crank with 6 psi of boost. Independent dynos have shown up to 560 wheel horsepower in STD correction or 540 wheel horsepower in SAE on a dynojet. That's a hell of a long way from 1370 wheel horsepower.

      Ok, let's give the benefit of the doubt. Let's say 6 psi of boost gets the car to 560 wheel horsepower. That's about 23.3 wheel horsepower per psi of boost. Let's go all the way to 14.5 psi which would be roughly 757 wheel horsepower and beyond the capability of the blower but let's just ignore that. That still leaves over 613 wheel horsepower to be generated by the nitrous and nothing under the hood there shows the type of direct port setup with a good amount of race fuel being fed in to supplement the nitrous necessary to even approach a 1/4 of that output.

      Ladies and gentlemen, this is simply someone with a Dyno Dynamics who played with the settings and is essentially trolling everyone. One has to be completely naive to believe some random tuner took an off the shelf kit, added some nitrous, and hit close to 1400 horsepower. If anyone for some reason believes this ask them to do this again in shootout mode. It will never happen.

      Let's just put it this way, see that 729.8 number from the previous pull in the vidieo? It's still optimistic but at least closer to what the car is really putting out. We have the Miracle on Ice. The Russians now have the Miracle on the Dyno.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: 1300hp S85? Yup. Dyno vid to prove it started by DFM View original post
      Comments 59 Comments
      1. 01E46m3's Avatar
        01E46m3 -
        Kinda hard to believe they achieved those numbers hah hah....
      1. Bimman's Avatar
        Bimman -
        The dyno must have been drunk Click here to enlarge
        He says "hello to audi" lol
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        are these guys relatives of Portman and SLS AMG? Anyway I gather the fumes got to them car was in reverse into the shop Carbon Monoxide can HAVOC your brain LOL
      1. disruptv's Avatar
        disruptv -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yes there are.
        In a street application with the smg? Who makes it?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by disruptv Click here to enlarge
        In a street application with the smg? Who makes it?
        Not for street application that I know of.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        Seems just as legit as some of the other dyno's ive seen. Congrats!
      1. daytonaM3's Avatar
        daytonaM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What I'm guessing is that they are full of $#@!.

        Come on people, this is complete BS. Click here to enlarge
        No way that it is making that kind of power,they are using some good drugs over there....
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        I needed a laugh today.. Funny sh*t!
      1. Blitz535i's Avatar
        Blitz535i -
        Meanwhile, somewhere in Russia...
      1. DefactoM6's Avatar
        DefactoM6 -
        This car/dyno actually provides concrete evidence for the scientific theory that Russians are patently insane due to oxygen levels which are exponentially higher than any other nation on earth. Researchers have been exploring this theory for some time, but it began gaining more mainstream interest in the scientific community after the advent of russian dashcam fever. This car now proves the theory. Oxygen levels are exponentially higher, which is how a blower with half of the CFM needed anywhere outside of that country can make that power. Yay science!
      1. DefactoM6's Avatar
        DefactoM6 -
        Oh yeah, and NO2 becomes NO6 in russia...6 $#@!ing oxygen molecules. Yeah, that probably creates some other kind of compound outside of Russian borders, or just isn't feasible, but within Russia, you get 6 oxygen molecules...because vodka.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Gotta hate it when things like this pop up with no information and details behind it. But its always easy to pick out enough details to knows whats possible and not.
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        thats called PRESUMPTIVENESS LOL!!!
      1. Muscleman's Avatar
        Muscleman -
        mile time with NOS and ESS (about 900hp not whp) - 27.9/312kmph

        according to my latest info engine is built for 2013 season to handle over 1000hp.
      1. DFM's Avatar
        DFM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Muscleman Click here to enlarge
        mile time with NOS and ESS (about 900hp not whp) - 27.9/312kmph

        according to my latest info engine is built for 2013 season to handle over 1000hp.
        source?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Muscleman Click here to enlarge
        mile time with NOS and ESS (about 900hp not whp) - 27.9/312kmph

        according to my latest info engine is built for 2013 season to handle over 1000hp.
        ?
      1. Muscleman's Avatar
        Muscleman -
        i'm afraid i don't have permission to post links. Sticky may i?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Muscleman Click here to enlarge
        i'm afraid i don't have permission to post links. Sticky may i?
        Go ahead.
      1. Muscleman's Avatar
        Muscleman -
        http://www.drive2.ru/cars/bmw/m6/m6_e63/dr-tamirlan/ - that's his car's page. he's from Kazakhstan, but he competes in Russia on Unlim500+. Nearest event will be on 18th of May and i hope we'll see this car in action.
        http://www.bmwclub.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=596638 - a bit more photos on stock internals.

        http://www.dragtimes.ru/results/allresults - here you might find all the results for 2012 season and earlier.

        http://www.bmwclub.ru/vb/showthread....9182&highlight= - here he insists that power was on stock engine.

        Anyway we'll see the result these days. But there's absolutely no baseground not to trust his words, except mistake during dynorun not on purpose. I'm surprised as well, previously he wanted to put VS TT kit in it.

        PS sorry for my Eng.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Muscleman Click here to enlarge
        http://www.drive2.ru/cars/bmw/m6/m6_e63/dr-tamirlan/ - that's his car's page. he's from Kazakhstan, but he competes in Russia on Unlim500+. Nearest event will be on 18th of May and i hope we'll see this car in action.
        http://www.bmwclub.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=596638 - a bit more photos on stock internals.

        http://www.dragtimes.ru/results/allresults - here you might find all the results for 2012 season and earlier.

        http://www.bmwclub.ru/vb/showthread....9182&highlight= - here he insists that power was on stock engine.

        Anyway we'll see the result these days. But there's absolutely no baseground not to trust his words, except mistake during dynorun not on purpose. I'm surprised as well, previously he wanted to put VS TT kit in it.

        PS sorry for my Eng.
        I mean no offense, but the guy is full of crap.

        ESS + ASR nos kit? First of all, the "ASR nos kit" is nothing but a generic wet nitrous system. Him referring to it as an "ASR kit" shows he is regurgitating what he read on m5board.

        Additionally, he would not be able to flow enough nitrous or have big enough jets to actually get this horsepower. He would need a serious multi-stage direct port setup.

        Just because he has pictures of his car on a website does not prove anything mechanically. As I explained, what he is claiming is a physical impossibility. I don't have respect for liars.

        He says "1370 was just a test" you don't just dial down 370 horses like he is claiming to get a "reliable" 1000 horses. What are his nitrous jet sizes? What are his pulley sizes? Where is a boost readout?

        It's just nonsense and the stock SMG trans won't support the torque necessary for 1370 hp anyway. I can't believe some people are buying this. GUY IS LYING.