• Official: The new 2014 Porsche 991 Turbo and Turbo S debut early, PDK only - Pictures, specs, (expensive!) MSRP/pricing, and Press Release

      Just a little over 30 days ago PorscheBoost posted an article showing the 991 Turbo basically undisguised completing its final testing. The car appeared ready for its debut and well here it is. Porsche decided to show the car off before its official "public" debut at the Frankfurt Auto Show in September of this year. What is interesting to note is that just like its 991 GT3 sibling the new 991 generation 911 Turbo has no manual option and is PDK only.

      What is also interesting to note is the very high starting price of $149,250 (Almost $11,000 more than the 997 Turbo) for the 991 Turbo and $182,050 for the Turbo S (a $20k bump). With options the standard turbo can easily get in the $170k range. The Turbo S should have no problem crossing $200k with options. Used 997 Turbo models sure look like a hell of a bargain right about now and depreciation likely won't be kind to the 991 Turbo.

      Both models get a 3.8 liter twin turbocharged flat-6 and direct injected motor. Both also are PDK only, no manual offered at this time and possibly never again. The Turbo is at 520 horsepower and the Turbo S is now at 560 horsepower. Those saying numbers would be in the 520-550 horsepower range were in the right range but it seemed nobody expected the Turbo and Turbo S to debut at the same time.

      Porsche does what it always does and steps its game up gradually but the 991 Turbo just does not seem to have quite the same impact the 991 GT3 managed with its debut both from the specs and styling. Pictures are below.
























      Turbo S model now capable of accelerating from 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds

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      . The Porsche model offensive in the anniversary year of the 911 is reaching new heights. Fifty years ago, the 911 made its debut at the Frankfurt International Auto Show - and just ten years later, the first 911 Turbo prototype was at the IAA. On this 40th anniversary of the 911 Turbo, Porsche is now presenting the new generation 911 Turbo and Turbo S – the technological and dynamic performance peak of the 911 series. A new all-wheel-drive system, active rear axle steering, adaptive aerodynamics, full-LED headlights, and up to 560 hp from a flat six-cylinder engine with twin-turbochargers underscore the role of the new generation 911 Turbo as an ultra performance car, every day car, and technology flagship. Playing an equally crucial role are an entirely new chassis and lightweight design with a 3.9-inch longer wheelbase and larger 20-inch wheels. The Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) active anti-roll system, which is being offered for the first time in 911 Turbo models, increases dynamic performance even more. This system is standard equipment in the 911 Turbo S, as is Sport Chrono Package Plus with dynamic engine mounts, and Porsche Carbon Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB); all of these features are also available as options in the 911 Turbo. The result: The new 911 Turbo S shortens the lap time for the North Loop of the Nürburgring to well under 7 and a half minutes – with standard production tires.


      Improved Performance and Efficiency

      The new engine and refined PDK transmission is partnered with a new Porsche Traction Management (PTM) all-wheel drive system. The turbocharged 3.8-liter six-cylinder engine with direct fuel injection produces 520 hp in the 911 Turbo and 560 hp in the S model. Porsche continues to be the only carmaker to offer two turbochargers with variable turbine geometry on a gasoline engine. Power is transferred to the drivetrain via a seven-speed dual clutch transmission (PDK), which now enables an auto start/stop function with engine shutoff, which activates earlier while the car is coming to a stop as well as when coasting at speed. A new combined thermal management system for the turbo engine and the PDK transmission are projected to result in real world fuel economy improvements when final U.S. EPA label values are calculated closer to the time the car is on sale in the United States. Induction and engine sounds are transmitted to the passenger compartment via a speaker diaphragm.

      New all-wheel drive with electro-hydraulic control

      For even faster and more precise power distribution to the front and rear axles, Porsche developed a new PTM all-wheel drive system with electronically controlled and activated multi-plate coupling. The system is equipped with a new water cooling function, which allows for more strength, and therefore more drive torque to the front wheels, than the system in the previous 911 Turbo. Simultaneously, the optimized interplay of the engine, transmission and all-wheel drive systems results in significant improvements to the acceleration capabilities of the 911 Turbo and Turbo S. The 911 Turbo with the optional Sport Chrono Package Plus accelerates from zero to 60 mph in 3.2 seconds, on its way to a top track speed of 196 mph. The 911 Turbo S handles the sprint to 60 mph in just 2.9 seconds, with a top track speed of 198 mph.

      Widest body of all 911 cars

      Visually, the two new top variants of the 911 lineup are set apart from other models more than ever. The characteristic expansively wide rear body panels of the new generation 911 Turbo are a further 1.1 inches wider than on the 911 Carrera 4– the fenders feature a nearly level surface, about the width of a hand, between the C-pillar and the outer edge of the car body. Other differentiating characteristics include forged two-tone 20-inch aluminum wheels. On the 911 Turbo S they have center hub wheel locks. The Turbo S is further differentiated by new, standard full-LED headlights that feature four-point daytime running lights and camera-based high/low beam control, which can be ordered as an option for the 911 Turbo.

      Rear wheel steering notably enhances responsiveness

      The introduction of rear wheel steering in all turbo models immensely improves both track driving capability and everyday performance of the two new sports cars. The system consists of two electro-mechanical actuators, instead of the conventional control links, on the left and right rear axles. The steering angle of the rear wheels can be varied by up to 2.8 degrees, depending on vehicle speed. At speeds up to 31 mph, when the front wheels are turned, the system steers the rear wheels in the opposite direction. This actually corresponds to a virtual shortening of the wheelbase by 9.8 inches, which gives the 911 Turbo unrivalled performance in curves. The system lets the car turn faster into corners and offers more dynamic steering response. This noticeably simplifies maneuvering and parking.

      At speeds above 50 mph, the system steers the rear wheels parallel to the front wheels. This is equivalent to a virtual lengthening of the wheelbase by 19.6 inches and gives the car tremendous directional control capability. At the same time, the steering input by the driver leads to significantly faster build-up of lateral force at the rear axle, which responds to steering commands even more quickly.

      Active aerodynamics improve efficiency and performance

      Porsche developed an active aerodynamic system on the new 911 Turbo models for the first time. It consists of a retractable three-stage front spoiler, whose segments can be pneumatically extended, and a deployable rear wing with three adjustable wing positions. This makes it possible to tune the aerodynamics of the 911 Turbo to fulfill driver wishes for either optimal efficiency or top dynamic performance. In the performance position, all segments of the front spoiler are fully extended, and they generate considerable down force at the front axle. Similarly, the rear wing is extended to its maximum height with the greatest angle of attack. This also generates more down force at the rear axle. Dynamic performance is improved to such an extent that lap times at the North Loop of the Nürburgring are improved by up to two seconds due to this system alone.

      New interior with high-end features

      The interior was completely redesigned in both 911 Turbo models, and it builds on the 911 Carrera family. The S model is particularly well equipped, offering such features as an exclusive interior in a black/Carrera red color combination and standard Sport Seats Plus with 18-way adjustment and memory. In addition, the seat back shells are upholstered in leather with double cap seams and various elements in carbon look. As on the previous models, the Bose® sound system is installed as standard; for the first time, a Burmester® system is also available as an optional feature. A radar-controlled cruise control system, camera-based road sign recognition, and speed limit recognition are other new options being offered.

      The new top models of the 911 model series arrive on the market at the end of 2013 in the United States. The 911 Turbo is priced from $148,300 while the 911 Turbo S begins at $181,100, not including a destination charge of $950.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: Official: The new 2014 Porsche 991 Turbo and Turbo S debut early, PDK only - Pictures, specs, (expensive!) MSRP/pricing, and Press Release started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 18 Comments
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Hm, seems like the turbo s is the way to go. Depreciation will hit these as hard as the 997, if not harder so I expect prices in the low 100's within the next couple of years.
      1. Ken_C's Avatar
        Ken_C -
        Wow, that's sexy.Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        Hm, seems like the turbo s is the way to go. Depreciation will hit these as hard as the 997, if not harder so I expect prices in the low 100's within the next couple of years.
        Why Turbo S? I'll keep my change and get a tune, thanks.
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Why Turbo S? I'll keep my change and get a tune, thanks.
        I count at least $20k in options for the turbo which are standard on the turbo s. PCCB, PDCC, sport chrono plus, 18-way sport seats, dual color interior, etc. Sure, that means you are paying $20k for the added power, but I think it's more than a tune... X50 in years past included reworked hardware as well.

        pricing on these cars makes the GT3 even more of a bargain. But look at dat azz on the turbo. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        I count at least $20k in options for the turbo which are standard on the turbo s. PCCB, PDCC, sport chrono plus, 18-way sport seats, dual color interior, etc. Sure, that means you are paying $20k for the added power, but I think it's more than a tune... X50 in years past included reworked hardware as well.

        pricing on these cars makes the GT3 even more of a bargain. But look at dat azz on the turbo. Click here to enlarge
        X50 included reworked hardware but the K16's could surpass the stock K24's although those had more room with a tune of course. Plus once modding you change the turbos really anyway so what's the point?

        PCCB's, interior, blah blah, any option I want I would add. $150k for a turbo now just is too much money IMO. Paying almost $200k for a Turbo just because it is the S means someone needs to have their head examined.

        A 997.2 Turbo is the best buy out of this bunch as funny as that sounds.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Video:

      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        X50 included reworked hardware but the K16's could surpass the stock K24's although those had more room with a tune of course. Plus once modding you change the turbos really anyway so what's the point?

        PCCB's, interior, blah blah, any option I want I would add. $150k for a turbo now just is too much money IMO. Paying almost $200k for a Turbo just because it is the S means someone needs to have their head examined.

        A 997.2 Turbo is the best buy out of this bunch as funny as that sounds.
        A 997.2 is a great option when you factor depreciation. A 997.2 s can be had already for 60k less than Msrp and their only a few years old. Not to mention those options Added would put you above what the turbo s costs.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        I count at least $20k in options for the turbo which are standard on the turbo s. PCCB, PDCC, sport chrono plus, 18-way sport seats, dual color interior, etc. Sure, that means you are paying $20k for the added power, but I think it's more than a tune... X50 in years past included reworked hardware as well.

        pricing on these cars makes the GT3 even more of a bargain. But look at dat azz on the turbo. Click here to enlarge
        Exactly. Porsche options are not cheap by any means. In the long run the turbo s will resale higher as well.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        Exactly. Porsche options are not cheap by any means. In the long run the turbo s will resale higher as well.
        Difference will be much less than brand new. Used 996 turbo versus used X50 turbo isn't all that big.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Even though the PDK has the performance advantage, really upsetting that they're dropping the MT altogether. It'll be interesting to see how this stacks up to the next gen GTR also, Stock vs. Stock & Modified vs. Modified (especially since the 997.2s are going above 700 WHP like the .1s).
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Ridiculous pricing. $200k for a 911? No thanks. For that kind of change I'd get me a real supercar à la MP-4C or F458.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Ridiculous pricing. $200k for a 911? No thanks. For that kind of change I'd get me a real supercar à la MP-4C or F458.
        It's still cheaper than either of those but it's approach MP4-12C territory. Those can be had with discounts in the 230's now.
      1. kokostrollet's Avatar
        kokostrollet -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's still cheaper than either of those but it's approach MP4-12C territory. Those can be had with discounts in the 230's now.
        Not to forget a new 458 comes with 7 years of free service making that TCO comparison even more interesting.

        Sure, Porsche probabaly does the right thing from a corporate perspective with the demand the brand has right now and possibility to sell cars with high margin. But from a buyer perspective, other cars, - and the GT-R in particular, got even more attractive with this price bump.

        Imagine if Nissan would release a new GT-R say a year or two from now and actually offer MT to fill that space... Porsche for sure are taking big risks with going all in on the PDK. On the other hand, of course that also means they really must believe in it being really good.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Ridiculous pricing. $200k for a 911? No thanks. For that kind of change I'd get me a real supercar à la MP-4C or F458.
        Exactly. $180k? ROFLMAO.

        I love Porsche, but ain't no one got time fo that depreciation hit.
      1. shaunt's Avatar
        shaunt -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        X50 included reworked hardware but the K16's could surpass the stock K24's although those had more room with a tune of course. Plus once modding you change the turbos really anyway so what's the point?

        PCCB's, interior, blah blah, any option I want I would add. $150k for a turbo now just is too much money IMO. Paying almost $200k for a Turbo just because it is the S means someone needs to have their head examined.

        A 997.2 Turbo is the best buy out of this bunch as funny as that sounds.
        I guess I should get my head examined.

        Mine'll be here in December.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shaunt Click here to enlarge
        I guess I should get my head examined.

        Mine'll be here in December.
        If you have money to burn...
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shaunt Click here to enlarge
        I guess I should get my head examined.

        Mine'll be here in December.
        Congrats - look forward to your impressions of the car.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If you have money to burn...
        Haters gonna hate... Click here to enlarge
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Did anybody catch the part about engine noise being pumped into the cabin via speakers? Wtf? Seriously Porsche, you are gonna copy one of BMWs cheesy ideas?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
        Did anybody catch the part about engine noise being pumped into the cabin via speakers? Wtf? Seriously Porsche, you are gonna copy one of BMWs cheesy ideas?
        I completely missed that??