• Trouble in paradise? Vishnu/FFtec N54 335ii Single Turbo kits experiencing issues as a BimmerBoost member runs 12.5@121 with misfires and having to short shift

      BimmerBoost would like to thank member GeorgiaTech335Coupe for his openness and honesty regarding his Vishnu/FFTEC single turbo setup. Recently, this member took his single turbo upgraded 6-speed manual 335i to the PBIR (Palm Beach International Raceway) dragstrip in Florida to do some testing. His best run was a 12.50@121.6 alongside a 12.8@117. Yes, these times are quite a ways away from the 10.8@131 glory pass from Vishnu demonstrating the kits capability.


      This is in no way the fault of GeorgiaTech335Coupe who experienced misfires on his car and had to short shift at 6300 rpm in order to avoid them. Now, Vishnu has basically portrayed this kit as perfect and ready for sale with nobody having any issues. The reason BimmerBoost is bringing this issue to the attention of the community is for potential buyers to understand what they are getting into.


      There is absolutely nothing wrong with having issues when modifying a car to this level and BimmerBoost is confident Vishnu will resolve them. There is something wrong with pretending nothing is wrong. A few cars with the single turbo kits have gone up for sale and apparently a total of three people, that are willing to open their mouths, are having misfire issues with these kits.

      These issues will no doubt get resolved but potential buyers and current customers needs to be aware of the process, effort, and that progress is being made. Pretending nothing is wrong and collecting money simply is the wrong way to go about this and once again (it's becoming a trend) BimmerBoost is the only site bringing these issues to the attention of the community.

      For the record, a member by the name of @tmo335tt says he has a hardware solution for the misfires that he will likely share with Vishnu (hopefully not for free). Interesting that it isn't Vishnu but the community solving this.

      Thanks again to @GeorgiaTech335Coupe for sharing his details, good or bad, as we all learn thanks to honesty and openness. There is more to tuning than just collecting money.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: Vishnu Single Turbo at PBIR - 12.50@121.6 having to shift all gears at 6300rpm started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
        shiv's fault
        Hold up e-mailing PETA.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        @GeorgiaTech335Coupe

        Thanks for coming out and talking about issues, it's refreshing to have a community discussion that isn't censored. I hope your st issues are resolved soon, I'd love to see what your car can do when it's running properly!
      1. Tzu's Avatar
        Tzu -
        Firstly, I assume that shiv is dilligent enoguh to ensure your injectors are coded correctly. Second obviously is plugs. Does the ST kit come with the NGK 5992s as well? Could be getting blowout with old plugs at that power level. Measured coil resistance? What codes are paired with the misfire code?
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tzu Click here to enlarge
        Firstly, I assume that shiv is dilligent enoguh to ensure your injectors are coded correctly. Second obviously is plugs. Does the ST kit come with the NGK 5992s as well? Could be getting blowout with old plugs at that power level. Measured coil resistance? What codes are paired with the misfire code?
        Yes replaced injectors and coils, coded injectors as well. I replaced all my plugs (2nd set of NGKs, just to be sure).
      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        Are these true misfires or misdetection of misfires? Are these the same that Dzenno and Big Tom had?
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tzu Click here to enlarge
        Firstly, I assume that shiv is dilligent enoguh to ensure your injectors are coded correctly. Second obviously is plugs. Does the ST kit come with the NGK 5992s as well? Could be getting blowout with old plugs at that power level. Measured coil resistance? What codes are paired with the misfire code?
        The odd thing is that the misfire is ALWAYS either cylinder 4 or 6 or both. It has never been any other cylinder. This is the same on all 3 of our cars.
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
        Are these true misfires or misdetection of misfires? Are these the same that Dzenno and Big Tom had?
        Very possible. It seems very similar to the issues that they had.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
        The odd thing is that the misfire is ALWAYS either cylinder 4 or 6 or both. It has never been any other cylinder. This is the same on all 3 of our cars.
        That's just weird but if it's the same on all 3 you can likely rule out some weird mechanical issue from the cars as the chances of it causing the same misfires on the same cylinders would point more towards the tuning I would think.

        Do the cars all have the same transmission?
      1. Legionofboom's Avatar
        Legionofboom -
        so much good info Click here to enlarge
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        I will most likely be doing a private rental on Dec 30th. There will only be about 5 or so cars there, so I'll get plenty of passes. I expect this issue to be resolved before then. I'll have the coil overs on before then and should have a new clutch in. Hopefully I'll have the driveline/LSD upgrades in before then, but that may be tough.

        Then we can get a good sample of what the car can do. I'm betting right now that I trap at least 130.
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That's just weird but if it's the same on all 3 you can likely rule out some weird mechanical issue from the cars as the chances of it causing the same misfires on the same cylinders would point more towards the tuning I would think.

        Do the cars all have the same transmission?
        Yes, MT with 62mm.
      1. jpsimon's Avatar
        jpsimon -
        Could it be an msd80 vs 81 type of issue? Probably not, but are you guys all on the same ecu version/software etc?
      1. Aced16's Avatar
        Aced16 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
        I will most likely be doing a private rental on Dec 30th. There will only be about 5 or so cars there, so I'll get plenty of passes. I expect this issue to be resolved before then. I'll have the coil overs on before then and should have a new clutch in. Hopefully I'll have the driveline/LSD upgrades in before then, but that may be tough.

        Then we can get a good sample of what the car can do. I'm betting right now that I trap at least 130.
        I want to go! I meant to text you to see how the car was, but have been swamped. Hope you get it all resolved soon, as I still need a ride!
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
        Could it be an msd80 vs 81 type of issue? Probably not, but are you guys all on the same ecu version/software etc?
        I don't think so. I have MSD80. JMARS' car is a 2010 so it probably has MSD81. I'm not sure about the other one.
      1. BuraQ's Avatar
        BuraQ -
        After seeing the car run despite its problems I know potential when I see it, and there is a whole can of whop azz ready to be unleashed.

        Even though I am strickly pro Flash, its inspiration cannot be passed off not being uninfluenced. This makes me to want upgraded "TWINS" even more. Hopefully when all the bugs get worked out I should have my upgraded TWINS also so we can go play Click here to enlarge
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Aced16 Click here to enlarge
        I want to go! I meant to text you to see how the car was, but have been swamped. Hope you get it all resolved soon, as I still need a ride!
        I'll let you know when I sign up.

        My car will be at PSI tomorrow getting the coil overs installed. You can try to stop by and I'll give you a ride. I'll have to short shift, but you'll at least get the idea.
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BuraQ Click here to enlarge
        After seeing the car run despite its problems I know potential when I see it, and there is a whole can of whop azz ready to be unleashed.

        Even though I am strickly pro Flash, its inspiration cannot be passed off not being uninfluenced. This makes me to want upgraded "TWINS" even more. Hopefully when all the bugs get worked out I should have my upgraded TWINS also so we can go play Click here to enlarge
        Do it! The top end gain (from the little I can experience) feels great. Very different than stock.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Is it not possible to tune these ST cars with Cobb ATP? If I was a ST guy with these problems I'd at least spend the money on an AP to see if it fixes the problem. If it doesn't, return it or sell it. They have a return policy and have great resale value.
      1. Legionofboom's Avatar
        Legionofboom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
        I'll let you know when I sign up.

        My car will be at PSI tomorrow getting the coil overs installed. You can try to stop by and I'll give you a ride. I'll have to short shift, but you'll at least get the idea.
        wish I was in orlando, I want a ride Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        Is it not possible to tune these ST cars with Cobb ATP? If I was a ST guy with these problems I'd at least spend the money on an AP to see if it fixes the problem. If it doesn't, return it or sell it. They have a return policy and have great resale value.
        I would think the tables would all be completely off.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        @GeorgiaTech335Coupe , sorry to hear you're having issues with your car after having put in so much into it. I will tell you right now, you'll just end up getting very frustrated trying to resolve the issue with further hardware replacement. I've even opened up my motor in hopes of finding "something" that will prove to be the cause. I hoped for a head gasket, a burnt valve, weak spring, all sorts of things just to be finally able to put my finger on what it is. I've played with gaps on the plugs, NGK coils, injector replacement. In other words, I strongly recommend you don't go down the same path. Many seem to have this issue which ends up getting unresolved and they end up never mentioning a thing on the forums which doesn't shed enough light on this issue.

        My issue started with putting in RB turbos. I did have Procede on the car at the time. However, hotrod has also had the same issue reported and he never ran anything but the JB. I tried all the major tunes after it started to misfire as well and the issue was still there with everything 100% functionally working.

        My best advice to you as I want to see you enjoy your car, get good numbers out of it and not end up regretting going for more power is to just turn off misfire detection. I am well aware of what this entails and that its not a solution but a workaround but trust me, you will start regretting your decision to go with a single turbo only to be troubleshooting and dumping money into it to solve this issue when it may very well end up being something that the stock DME wasn't built to handle properly. If Shiv's flash can't turn off misfire detection just get an AP, ask him to move the settings over and be done with it.

        People need to realize and understand what misfire detection is about and what a "misfire" represents and most importantly WHY has BMW decided to shut down fuel injection entirely as a result of misfires. The reason is environmental/emissions. An incomplete burn will pollute the environment and to conform to regulations they must do this. This wasn't the case in the past with cars as they'd just let you feel the actual misfires and in most cases they'd give you a check engine light only, not cut fuel to the cylinders or in this case to the entire bank.

        Obviously since this issue is quite new to you you'll be eager to solve it the "right" way but I strongly advise you not to go down that road, turn off misfire detection, put the car on the dyno and see if there are power issues in that misfire prone rev range and if there are none I wouldn't worry about it at all until more is known. See how the car "feels" with the detection off.

        If I had to guess the issue is to do with misfire detection algorithms and we don't have access to those just yet to be able to adjust or begin to understand the reasons why. It may be just too sensitive given what's happening with the motor at higher power levels and dumping time/parts at it can be deemed a waste at this point as I have very little doubt its anything hardware related.

        Having said all that, I do have to say that its ironic it came back to bite Shiv again. He went to such lengths in undermining all my efforts with the N54 after I left the procede camp to even mock me because of the car misfiring in the same way you, Big Tom, hotrod, and a bunch of others did. He even brainwashed sikh335 into mocking the same way only to have this issue come back on his ST cars. I recall Former_Boosted_IS's car also misfiring on the dyno but they were fixed with NGK plugs gapped at 0.022" apparently. I've learned not to trust anything coming from Vishnu and really do appreciate your openness on the subject sir. Anything you may need, any questions let me know. I'll be glad to help as much as I can.

        Again, just turn that misfire detection off, you'll be glad you did.