• Why BMW S85 V10 Tubular Aftermarket Headers Work - Comparing Evolve's S85 headers to stock with pictures and dynographs

      This is a very common question we get from the V10 community. We thought it would be a good idea to post up a brief write up about why it is that so many owners with tubular headers (evolve / supersprint etc) are achieving near or over 500whp dynojet and 460+ dyno dynamics consistently across the world. To show you we have taken some pictures comparing the stock primaries to that of a long tube header design. In this case it's the Evolve one as that's all we have but it gives you a very clear illustration:

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      We can clearly see with the headers aligned that the stock primaries work their way down to a very crushed section with a very sharp downward angle. This is far from ideal for optimal gas flow. While some may think the cross sectional area is maintained it is not. The Tubular headers have a perfect radius and have a larger inner diameter.

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      Here we can again see the stock primary crushing down and the difference in the pipe size.

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      Again we can see how the stock primaries all come together and are crushed. We can also see that there is no real design behind the collector as BMW were forced to go into the CAT. Essentially the collector has no 'pulling' effect like on a true high flow merge collector.

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      Showing the overall length and smoother larger flow of the tubular headers

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      Another image showing the pipe crushing and the multiple bends in the stock primary setup vs the much smoother bigger direct path of the tubular headers

      So is it just this that allows the consistently tested +35-50hp from going tubular headers from stock headers with CATs OR the +15-20hp over a set of decatted stock primaries (Evolve RACE R)?

      In way yes but also no.

      Once you go for a header of this type you not only improve the gas flow and scavenging effect from the merge collectors but you also reduce back pressure and combustion temperatures / pressure. The DME will normally not come close to hitting the set ignition targets set by BMW with the stock headers/CATS. Once the combustion process is improved the level of knock will also be drastically reduced and the DME will push much closer to the set ignition targets.

      So, you get the gains from a much more free flowing path for the gasses, a larger cross section area of the tubular header primaries and then also the effect of the DME adapting to a higher ignition timing.

      Some engine will gain more power straight away than others and this is mostly down to the ignition adaption taking place faster whereas other engines will take their time as they may have a long term adaption for timing which is retarded.

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      Showing a tubular header

      Image 7


      Showing a complete stock header.

      Dyno graphs

      Dyno graph showing gain from tubular headers fully adapted and on a very low mileage engine:


      Again, here we see the stock headers flow well enough put around 5000rpm after which they start becoming restrictive. The larger pipe diameter, reduction in back pressure, free flowing design and higher achieved ignition timing give substantial gains in performance.

      Dyno graphs of engine now quite fully adapted dyno tested straight away (MAHA)


      As mentioned this is a brief explanation so everyone can understand it. We hope this comes across as useful.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: Why S85 Tubular Headers Work started by evolve View original post
      Comments 15 Comments
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        Very nice explanation, and beautiful set of headers. The difference is no joke!!!
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        So how is the access to the exhaust studs? Agency Power has some pretty tight spots to try to get in and tighten the exhaust nuts...does yours have more clearance?
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        The tubular headers from us are are much easier to fit as the primaries are fitted individually and then the collector shown below is slotted on afterwards. This alone gives so much more access to the fitter.

        The AP headers are all one piece and this will be much harder to fit.

        Our collector:

        Attachment 22032
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Very nice, quality work. I enjoy seeing build threads from your shop. Breaking into the N54 market anytime soon? Click here to enlarge
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        Hi,

        we have been doing N54 for years now.
        We have our own downpipes and intercoolers for them.
        Shame the marketing department cannot be bothered to add more exposure to the setups we offer.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Amazing work, honestly.
      1. 0-60Motorsports's Avatar
        0-60Motorsports -
        Amazing Work EVOLVE. Those headers are a work of art.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        Dyno graph showing gain from tubular headers fully adapted and on a very low mileage engine:
        Is this with a tune?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Promoted to front page because this is awesome.
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        @evolve Sal why don't you just take all of my money right now?!! Haha.. Click here to enlarge

        I'm at a crossroads with my M5 right now, and only time will tell if I keep the beast.. But if it does stick around, I don't see any way for me to stop myself from buying these tubular headers. I really want 500whp N/A (Dynojet) from my M Click here to enlarge

        Sal have you guys posted any 60-130 times with your car on these Headers??

        Thanks,
        TZ
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        I really want 500whp N/A (Dynojet) from my M
        500 wheel naturally aspirated on a dynojet is just... well, it's tits!
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        500 wheel naturally aspirated on a dynojet is just... well, it's tits!
        For real.. I'm so damn tempted Click here to enlarge

        I was completely sold on these after I saw Imran's trap speed at that VMAX event.
      1. Imran@Evolve's Avatar
        Imran@Evolve -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Is this with a tune?
        Dyno's above are on stock car with no ECU tuning.
      1. Imran@Evolve's Avatar
        Imran@Evolve -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TZ04XJR Click here to enlarge
        For real.. I'm so damn tempted Click here to enlarge

        I was completely sold on these after I saw Imran's trap speed at that VMAX event.
        Sorry for leading you into temptation Click here to enlarge
      1. deemo319's Avatar
        deemo319 -
        Supersprint S85 V10 Headers!!! Worth every penny as I have stated since they were developed
        and came to market. Just look at the snakes, oooooooh!