• Controversy: Is the SLS AMG faster than the 458 Italia stock for stock?

      A debate has been raging on the BenzBoost forums and we decided it was finally time to put together information on these two cars to help sort out the video below. There are three races and the SLS gets the jump in the first two. In the first race the SLS is lined up ahead and gets on the gas first pulling. In the second video a mix-up in the honks has the SLS jump again leading the 458 to have to run it down which it can not. The third race is the cleanest with the SLS still pulling away and rather quickly.


      Now, this has led to people from each side yelling and screaming at each other. Here is what we know, the SLS dyno's more on a dynojet stock. There are variables involved of course but based on the graphs we have thus far the 458 baselines around 450 wheel and the SLS around 488 wheel. Advantage, SLS.

      458:

      SLS:


      So power favors the SLS but what about the weight? Well, Road and Track weighed the 458 Italia at 3490 pounds. The SLS AMG comes in at 3795 pounds. 300 pounds in favor of the 458 Italia although this is mitigated more from a roll than from a stop.

      This may help explain why the 458 Italia gets a better elapsed time in the 1/4 mile versus the SLS stock for stock. It's rear engine launch is also a large factor helping it get off the line better. Going back to Road and Track, the numbers are 11.0@128.5 versus 11.6@124.3 for the Italia and SLS respectively. 0-120 numbers favor the Italia by 1.2 second stock for stock, not a small difference.

      Shift speed has been stated to favor the 458 with the SLS at 100ms to its 40ms. This disparity seems too large for the same technology from the same supplier, Getrag. As a matter of fact, they are basically the same unit. So is there really that large of a disparity here? We don't think so.

      So how do you explain the outcome of the video? The only explanation is that the SLS is not stock. Logically, this is the only conclusion one can reach to explain how the SLS leaves the 458 the way it does. The weight is not as large of a factor once the cars are moving but even so we should see the 458 slowly pull not the SLS jumping out and destroying the 458. A stock SLS simply is not capable of it based on the data presented here. The stock claims are likely misleading and for SLS owners to boast. This is why we prefer track numbers for support but even without them a video can still be broken down. If we are incorrect, someone do this same race with two stock cars and prove us wrong. One thing is certain, both are fast cars and examples of some of the best vehicles available today.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: SLS AMG vs Ferrari 458 started by Jacob502 View original post
      Comments 192 Comments
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
        Moron we own one, but it is completely stock. It belongs to my father
        Ah, I see. You father owns one. This is all becoming a lot more clear to me now LOL.
        So was the 458 in the OP video your fathers car ? And who owned the "stock" SLS in that same video ?
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Ah, I see. You father owns one. This is all becoming a lot more clear to me now LOL.
        So was the 458 in the OP video your fathers car ? And who owned the "stock" SLS in that same video ?
        looool. the video you saw is in the USA. cant you see the side markers on the SLS. My bros SLS is a red one with a carbon fiber stripe. everybody knows his SLS

        like I said arguing with you is like watching flies f*ck.

        just shut up already. Every post you continoue to make proves more and more of what a moron you are.


        I just found out you were banned from Mbworld. Go figure.looool
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but those are tuned. Were talking about stock cars here...or at least that's what we were led to believe Click here to enlarge
        Not really interested anymore as discussing anything with these spoiled little punks is like pulling teeth and I really don't believe any of this deserves the front page. Way too may disparities and half truths going on here. Until a trusted source can bring us a true stock vs stock SLS vs 458 video I'll stick with what I know and have experienced firsthand in the real world.
        Another idiotic post. The SLS made 488 STOCK and then 515 tuned.

        so the 458 making 450 was tuned??

        no wonder!
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        looool. the video you saw is in the USA. cant you see the side markers on the SLS. My bros SLS is a red one with a carbon fiber stripe. everybody knows his SLS

        like I said arguing with you is like watching flies f*ck.

        just shut up already. Every post you continoue to make proves more and more of what a moron you are.


        I just found out you were banned from Mbworld. Go figure.looool

        OK so hold on a second....the video you first posted, this one:




        This is some random video you found on YouTube and you have no real way to verify if the car is modded or not yet you make this idiotic comment in your first post?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        the SLS is completely STOCK
        Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge
        You are the biggest retard I've seen. I guess it's partially my fault for not asking more questions in the beginning because I assumed you were familiar with the cars in the race since you seemed to have information about them. But the fact of the matter is that you really have NO CLUE if the SLS in the above video is tuned, right ? You are simply going by what someone posted on YouTube - LOLOLOL. What a $#@!in idiot - I should have known better than to get into a discussion with someone who doesn't have all the facts. Enjoy your car...what is daddy buying you next ?? Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Excuse me, but what insult?


        calling him up for a race is an insult?
        Um, no, try reading your post. You really need a hint?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        No, but LZH and sorena are!


        this discussion was all civil until those morons showed up. Exeenom "moe" disagreed in a well respected manner and we have no problem and we all respected his replies.



        Sorena tried to lie his way about "his 458", when I called him up, he backed out!
        He doesn't have his 458 yet I'm not sure what you guys are hung up on.

        Secondly, the discussion was civil until you started lobbing insults like the word moron. Debate the topic without derogatory comments.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but those are tuned. Were talking about stock cars here...or at least that's what we were led to believe Click here to enlarge
        Not really interested anymore as discussing anything with these spoiled little punks is like pulling teeth and I really don't believe any of this deserves the front page. Way too may disparities and half truths going on here. Until a trusted source can bring us a true stock vs stock SLS vs 458 video I'll stick with what I know and have experienced firsthand in the real world.
        No, those were baselines.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        I just found out you were banned from Mbworld. Go figure.looool
        Who cares who is or who is not banned from MBworld? What does it matter here?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        And people wonder why the Middle East is a mess.

        You guys seriously are taking forum talk about theoretical races this far? For some reason in the Mercedes section we have a lot of guys from the Middle East with attitude problems.

        Relax, discuss cars, enjoy. Going to start using a little more power here if it continues.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Who cares who is or who is not banned from MBworld? What does it matter here?
        Exactly. Just his usual circular logic bringing things into the discussion that have no relevance whatsoever. It's a common trait/tactic for people who don't know what they are talking about/lying.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        So in my last post I attached the OP's video again and was just watching it for the third time and I just noticed this comment on YouTube:


        "I am the owner of the SLS and I can confirm that it IS TUNED. ECU tune only, no other modification.

        stuheller
        "



        LOL!!!!!!!! what do you have to say now @Jacob502 ???????? LOLOL
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        If the SLS is tuned it all makes sense.

        Why in the world did he say it was stock when he didn't know?
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If the SLS is tuned it all makes sense.

        Why in the world did he say it was stock when he didn't know?
        I'd tell you what I really think is the reason but I'm sure you already know - Trisomy 21 would be my first guess lol Click here to enlarge
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And people wonder why the Middle East is a mess.

        You guys seriously are taking forum talk about theoretical races this far? For some reason in the Mercedes section we have a lot of guys from the Middle East with attitude problems.

        Relax, discuss cars, enjoy. Going to start using a little more power here if it continues.

        Ok lets talk about cars already. I had it with this thread.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Ok lets talk about cars already. I had it with this thread.
        Oh NOW that you've been proven WRONG you've had it with this thread ??? Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge
        Typical.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Oh NOW that you've been proven WRONG you've had it with this thread ??? Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge
        Typical.
        No just had it with you immatur comments. Now I'll leave it at that
      1. SLS AMG's Avatar
        SLS AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        So in my last post I attached the OP's video again and was just watching it for the third time and I just noticed this comment on YouTube:


        "I am the owner of the SLS and I can confirm that it IS TUNED. ECU tune only, no other modification.

        stuheller
        "



        LOL!!!!!!!! what do you have to say now @Jacob502 ???????? LOLOL
        LZH you are a big liar. This is not the owner of the SLS. That is most likely you who made the comment. Come on man the comment has been added one hour ago Click here to enlarge

        Next time when you want to make a lie at least make it one week in advance Click here to enlarge

        This is the comment which was added an hour ago
        Attachment 17552


        The video has been added by member "TrackHos" A month ago and it is stated in the description that both vehicles are COMPLETELY STOCK. SO TAKE THAT FAKE COMMENT YOU MADE UP IN YOUR ASS

        Attachment 17553
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Bro. Just leave it. we dont need to convince everybody. we have been getting negative repped, and ironically LZH has been positive repped. Obviously Joseph Likes him.

        Lets get out of this thread and unsubscribe. Not running away, but enough with the stupidity
      1. SLS AMG's Avatar
        SLS AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Bro. Just leave it. we dont need to convince everybody. we have been getting negative repped, and ironically LZH has been positive repped. Obviously Joseph Likes him.

        Lets get out of this thread and unsubscribe. Not running away, but enough with the stupidity
        agree we have been getting negative reps for no reason.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
        LZH you are a big liar. This is not the owner of the SLS. That is most likely you who made the comment. Come on man the comment has been added one hour ago Click here to enlarge

        Next time when you want to make a lie at least make it one week in advance Click here to enlarge

        This is the comment which was added an hour ago
        Attachment 17552


        The video has been added by member "TrackHos" A month ago and it is stated in the description that both vehicles are COMPLETELY STOCK. SO TAKE THAT FAKE COMMENT YOU MADE UP IN YOUR ASS

        Attachment 17553

        LOL- so now you are saying I made up a fake YouTube user account just to post that ??? You are really reaching man. Check out the account stuheller that posted that comment about being the owner of the SLS...the account has been around for a long time, I didn't create it. Sorry, but nice try. I realize you are just trying to stick up for your brother which is a noble effort but you look like an idiot trying to deflect the fact that he made an ass of himself. And now you think I am making up fake accounts ??? LOL!!!!!