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    • Controversy: Is the SLS AMG faster than the 458 Italia stock for stock?

      A debate has been raging on the BenzBoost forums and we decided it was finally time to put together information on these two cars to help sort out the video below. There are three races and the SLS gets the jump in the first two. In the first race the SLS is lined up ahead and gets on the gas first pulling. In the second video a mix-up in the honks has the SLS jump again leading the 458 to have to run it down which it can not. The third race is the cleanest with the SLS still pulling away and rather quickly.


      Now, this has led to people from each side yelling and screaming at each other. Here is what we know, the SLS dyno's more on a dynojet stock. There are variables involved of course but based on the graphs we have thus far the 458 baselines around 450 wheel and the SLS around 488 wheel. Advantage, SLS.

      458:

      SLS:


      So power favors the SLS but what about the weight? Well, Road and Track weighed the 458 Italia at 3490 pounds. The SLS AMG comes in at 3795 pounds. 300 pounds in favor of the 458 Italia although this is mitigated more from a roll than from a stop.

      This may help explain why the 458 Italia gets a better elapsed time in the 1/4 mile versus the SLS stock for stock. It's rear engine launch is also a large factor helping it get off the line better. Going back to Road and Track, the numbers are 11.0@128.5 versus 11.6@124.3 for the Italia and SLS respectively. 0-120 numbers favor the Italia by 1.2 second stock for stock, not a small difference.

      Shift speed has been stated to favor the 458 with the SLS at 100ms to its 40ms. This disparity seems too large for the same technology from the same supplier, Getrag. As a matter of fact, they are basically the same unit. So is there really that large of a disparity here? We don't think so.

      So how do you explain the outcome of the video? The only explanation is that the SLS is not stock. Logically, this is the only conclusion one can reach to explain how the SLS leaves the 458 the way it does. The weight is not as large of a factor once the cars are moving but even so we should see the 458 slowly pull not the SLS jumping out and destroying the 458. A stock SLS simply is not capable of it based on the data presented here. The stock claims are likely misleading and for SLS owners to boast. This is why we prefer track numbers for support but even without them a video can still be broken down. If we are incorrect, someone do this same race with two stock cars and prove us wrong. One thing is certain, both are fast cars and examples of some of the best vehicles available today.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: SLS AMG vs Ferrari 458 started by Jacob502 View original post
      Comments 192 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        No Moron. The one I was talking about was STOCK. the one I talked about in the recent post isnt. You have the option of chosing :-)

        Now Man up and show up and stop talking.
        Lets drop the insults, just speak like adults.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SLS AMG Click here to enlarge
        Moron we own one, but it is completely stock. It belongs to my father
        Seriously, why do your guys post degenerate into this stuff? Come on, you aren't kids are you?
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ad445 Click here to enlarge
        Dude don't be naive.
        I just got sick of sls vs 458 drama, and asked u if u wanna race pm anytime!!!
        I'll even rent you a 458 in Abu dhabi you don't need to ship your car !!!
        He's been trying to run away from this by using so many lame excuses like ( i dont bring my car with me on a business trip )
        You gave him a solution by renting one. He will never show up now !
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Seriously, why do your guys post degenerate into this stuff? Come on, you aren't kids are you?
        It's not being kids or any of that.

        We just don't like who talks a lot and hides behind numbers/graphs/info without showing up in the real world Click here to enlarge

        Myself for example is fed up with some guys over here ( My country ) pretending to have 900HP+ cars and at the end a car having 600HP would fry them up :S

        So talking too much makes the reader bored. PROVE IT or SHUT UP !
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
        It's not being kids or any of that.

        We just don't like who talks a lot and hides behind numbers/graphs/info without showing up in the real world Click here to enlarge

        Myself for example is fed up with some guys over here ( My country ) pretending to have 900HP+ cars and at the end a car having 600HP would fry them up :S

        So talking too much makes the reader bored. PROVE IT or SHUT UP !
        +1. I dont mind racing him like I said. I will let him eat all the words he posted in here
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Lets drop the insults, just speak like adults.
        Excuse me, but what insult?


        calling him up for a race is an insult?
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Seriously, why do your guys post degenerate into this stuff? Come on, you aren't kids are you?
        No, but LZH and sorena are!


        this discussion was all civil until those morons showed up. Exeenom "moe" disagreed in a well respected manner and we have no problem and we all respected his replies.



        Sorena tried to lie his way about "his 458", when I called him up, he backed out!
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
        He's been trying to run away from this by using so many lame excuses like ( i dont bring my car with me on a business trip )
        You gave him a solution by renting one. He will never show up now !
        Are you retarded? Do you think i should pack my car up and keep it with me anywhere i go? I live in Iran, i make deals in China, UAE and Azerbaijan. In your mind i should carry the car with me? Is it a lame excuse?
        Why don't you take your car and ship it 1300 kms so we can race?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        +1. I dont mind racing him like I said. I will let him eat all the words he posted in here
        I sent you a pm and apologized for being kind of rude. I tried to act like a gentleman, but you don't deserve. Keep posting BS, but no one believe you.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ad445 Click here to enlarge
        Dude don't be naive.
        I just got sick of sls vs 458 drama, and asked u if u wanna race pm anytime!!!
        I'll even rent you a 458 in Abu dhabi you don't need to ship your car !!!
        Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it Click here to enlarge But the race can be done without me. Just find a stock SLS and run it against the rental 458.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Sorena tried to lie his way about "his 458", when I called him up, he backed out!
        WHAT LIE? the twin turbo part? Biggest face palm ever. I feel for you, your sense of humor is DEAD!
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Keep it civilized, please.

        I really don't see why i should bring my car 1300 km down there to race someone.
        your the one claiming your car is faster than the SLS. Your the only here supposedly owning a ferrari . You have my phone number, call me I'll pay for shipping, what do you say?



        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Did you see the "I was just joking around" part? It's %100 stock
        Sure I can see that. In fact, all of your posts are a joke

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        And keep it civil or you will be on ignore list.
        Very unlikely since you yourself cant seem to ignore me








        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        guys apparently take your cars with you when you do business trips to outside of your countries. I don't.
        We already told you we will pay for a 458 rental if you like.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        BTW i don't see how you got involved in this conversation, i don't have anything against you sir so i don't take the imaginary 458 part
        offensive.
        I would tell you the same thing!
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Sorena,

        SHOW UP OR SHUT UP. end of story
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        BYE, drive your SLS and be happy with it. Maybe someday it will beat UGR Galardo. someday... Click here to enlarge
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        BYE, drive your SLS and be happy with it. Maybe someday it will beat UGR Galardo someday. Click here to enlarge

        looool. What a moron.

        making idiotic claims when we never made them


        Called him up and backed out....


        dude your an embarasment
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it Click here to enlarge But the race can be done without me. Just find a stock SLS and run it against the rental 458.
        We already have!


        And if you wanted to apologise. you should have done it in public
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Excuse me, but what insult?


        calling him up for a race is an insult?
        I think everyone on every forum consider calling people for a race to test the real of their cars is an insult.
        I guess they're just satisfied watching Motor shows. Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        BYE, drive your SLS and be happy with it. Maybe someday it will beat UGR Galardo. someday... Click here to enlarge

        So first you mentioned the twin turbo 458 then a UGR gallardo.

        Are you that much dreamer ?

        Btw what business do you run, selling smokers accessories ? Click here to enlarge
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sirex63 Click here to enlarge
        I think everyone on every forum consider calling people for a race to test the real of their cars is an insult.
        I guess they're just satisfied watching Motor shows. Click here to enlarge




        So first you mentioned the twin turbo 458 then a UGR gallardo.

        Are you that much dreamer ?

        Btw what business do you run, selling smokers accessories ? Click here to enlarge

        I dont belive any of his BS. just another troll that cant put up. Pathetic in my opinion!
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge


        Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it Click here to enlarge But the race can be done without me. Just find a stock SLS and run it against the rental 458.
        It has been done and the SLS won yet you still can't believe it.

        BTW you own a TT 458 but you can't ship it for a race ?

        How about you bring your CLAIMED TT 458 into here and make it official ?

        A RACE WITH A PRIZE OF $5000

        Will you get some balls to show up ?
      1. Sirex63's Avatar
        Sirex63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        I dont belive any of his BS. just another troll that cant put up. Pathetic in my opinion!
        That's what they're good at.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ad445 Click here to enlarge
        Have u seen the new SL63 in person?
        I am thinking of ordering one soon...
        I have not see one yet in person bro. The car is amazing. You will love it. good choice.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but those are tuned. Were talking about stock cars here...or at least that's what we were led to believe Click here to enlarge
        Not really interested anymore as discussing anything with these spoiled little punks is like pulling teeth and I really don't believe any of this deserves the front page. Way too may disparities and half truths going on here. Until a trusted source can bring us a true stock vs stock SLS vs 458 video I'll stick with what I know and have experienced firsthand in the real world.