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    • Mercedes AMG twin turbo V12 changes - How the new M279 Twin Turbo V12 differs from the previous M275

      You should all know by now that Mercedes is bringing back the twin turbo V12 with the new R231 SL65 AMG. We originally thought this was just the same old M275 V12 that had seen duty in the previous generation 600 and 65 AMG's but the motor has received some updates along with a new M279 engine designation. The 6.0 liter V12 to reach its new 630 horsepower rating received far more than just different ECU software.


      A multi-spark ignition with twelve double ignition coils is used that Mercedes states provides for a smoother motor and more effective combustion. This also is used in conjunction with a new engine management system.

      The cylinder heads were also revised in order to flow better for more power. The turbos have been changed featuring new wheels and are mated to new manifolds. The wastegate ducts have also been revised.

      Additionally, the exhaust system underwent some significant changes. The catalytic converter system was optimized both for emissions and power. The wall thickness of the exhaust was reduced and the system is now 7 pounds lighter than the previous generation.

      Other parts such as the intercooler, throttle body, and airbox remain the same. The M279 is a nice update to what already was a stout powerplant.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: Mercedes AMG twin turbo V12 changes - How the new M279 Twin Turbo V12 differs from the previous M275 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
        Only if you promise NOT to spend it on nucelar material my firend, LOL

        Sorry, I conldn't resitClick here to enlarge

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That was a good one!!



        I think the fact that Jacob is ignoring this and won't agree to be banned if he loses and doesn't pay just shows that he has no intention of honoring the bet and being a man.
        I'm hoping that @Sticky will step in if that is the case and do what he feels is best for the site and the membership here.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Excuse me, but when was it cancelled?
        You just had an out...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That was a good one!!



        I think the fact that Jacob is ignoring this and won't agree to be banned if he loses and doesn't pay just shows that he has no intention of honoring the bet and being a man.
        I'm hoping that @Sticky will step in if that is the case and do what he feels is best for the site and the membership here.
        If you guys continue to insist on it I will step in and at least make this something with consequences... in a constructive manner.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
        I think Sticky will agree, if either party would not follow through, a BAN should be given, IMHO.

        Considering the level that this issue has taken.

        Personnel choice, give the money to benzboost, or your favorite charityClick here to enlarge
        I'll let the members vote on it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Agreed - and I would split the winnings; half to GermanBoost half to charity.
        Hahha, that's basically all to charity!
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That was a good one!!



        I think the fact that Jacob is ignoring this and won't agree to be banned if he loses and doesn't pay just shows that he has no intention of honoring the bet and being a man.
        I'm hoping that @Sticky will step in if that is the case and do what he feels is best for the site and the membership here.

        Anything from you is worthless. I have been ignoring because you keep drawing your hate towards me on every single thread I make. I keep ignoring you, but you keep throwing your nonsense all around.


        You talk about honor. Loooool . Do you even know what the word means you child?

        Look back at this thread, I never started this thing with you,but you jumped in like the $#@! that you are and kept on trolling. Why? All because of that dam thread "SlS vs. 458"

        No keep on going, I'm ending this RIGHT NOW, because I shouldn't have accepted bet fom a $#@!ing child.


        Btw, I still believe the SLS will have a V12
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge

        Look back at this thread, I never started this thing with you,but you jumped in like the $#@! that you are and kept on trolling.

        No keep on going, I'm ending this RIGHT NOW, because I shouldn't have accepted bet fom a $#@!ing child.


        Btw, I still believe the SLS will have a V12
        I jumped into this thread because you made the following statement:

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        How many of you guys wanna bet that this new M279 engine will be on the new SLS BS?
        So naturally, I accepted your bet and you agreed.


        Are you backing out of the bet now ??

        Please respond with a "YES" or a "NO".








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      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        I jumped into this thread because you made the following statement:



        So naturally, I accepted your bet and you agreed. Are you backing out of the bet now ??

        Not backing out, just dont want to conduct anything with a child $#@! like you who has the urge and wish for me to be banned. (and keeps negative repping me whenever possible)


        Get a life dude. It's Friday night, go find yourself a beautiful gir or have some beer. You need to get out some more!

        Now Ill be having fun, while you keep wishing for your 10000 dollars. Looool
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mramg1 Click here to enlarge
        Only if you promise NOT to spend it on nucelar material my firend, LOL

        Sorry, I conldn't resitClick here to enlarge
        Hahahaha. I can't promise. We are kinda addicted to nuclear stuff. I'm gonna spend the 10 grand on my nuclear cocaine farm.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        I'm just trying to figure this out. The bet is on? Is it still 10k? Is it something else?

        If you guys are each keeping your stance then accountability will need to be taken.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm just trying to figure this out. The bet is on? Is it still 10k? Is it something else?

        If you guys are each keeping your stance then accountability will need to be taken.
        My stance has not, and will not change. Glad to see you agree regarding accountability.
      1. Benz-O-Rama's Avatar
        Benz-O-Rama -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
        Never said it was. The post above is me quoting you that "I never said the bet was cancelled", which would lead one to infer that it's still on/active.

        I was simply asking a yes or no question, that would leave no doubt or need inference, which I'll ask again.

        Please respond "yes or "no"

        Is the bet still on?
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Not backing out, just dont want to conduct anything with a child $#@! like you who has the urge and wish for me to be banned. (and keeps negative repping me whenever possible)


        Get a life dude. It's Friday night, go find yourself a beautiful gir or have some beer. You need to get out some more!

        Now Ill be having fun, while you keep wishing for your 10000 dollars. Looool
        Ok, so wait. Was that a yes or no. Still not sure...
      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
        Ok, so wait. Was that a yes or no. Still not sure...
        LOL. Click here to enlarge

        As far as I can tell, neither party has waivered. Jacob bets that the upcoming SLS BS will have the M279 as its engine of choice. LZH disagrees, and was (and is) willing to wager $10,000 USD that the SLS BS engine will not be the M279. Jacob said "you're on" and the rest has just been banter. In it's most simple form, that appears to still be the wager.

        I agree with mramg1 and others, if either party welshes on the other, after all this, the consequence should be a ban from posting here. Period.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
        Ok, so wait. Was that a yes or no. Still not sure...
        It was neither. He says he's not backing out, but then says, "just dont want to conduct anything with a child $#@!"

        In other words he is still wiggling and trying to give himself an out at a later date when he loses so he can come back here and say hey look, I said I didn't want to "conduct anything with him!!!". And that will be his logic for welshing. But as you can see in my sig, he's already agreed to pay up if he loses. And so have I.
        So the bet is still on and I intend to honor it - I'm glad to see others agreeing there there should be some accountability/banning if one side does not honor the bet. Perhaps then Jacob will learn that there are consequences in life.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        It was neither. He says he's not backing out, but then says, "just dont want to conduct anything with a child $#@!"

        In other words he is still wiggling and trying to give himself an out at a later date when he loses so he can come back here and say hey look, I said I didn't want to "conduct anything with him!!!". And that will be his logic for welshing. But as you can see in my sig, he's already agreed to pay up if he loses. And so have I.
        So the bet is still on and I intend to honor it - I'm glad to see others agreeing there there should be some accountability/banning if one side does not honor the bet. Perhaps then Jacob will learn that there are consequences in life.
        You need to learn to respect others.

        The Bet is not on!
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Yes I'll take the bet.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        looks like you can never put up. All you do is cheap talk.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Ok, the bet is between you and I. Now have some balls and leave it between you and I.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Be a man for once in your life and quit the cheap talk. My money is ready. Up to you pal.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        If I lose, I will be more than happy to wire him the funds directly to his account.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        I never said the bet was cancelled.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        No keep on going, I'm ending this RIGHT NOW, because I shouldn't have accepted bet fom a $#@!ing child.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Not backing out, just dont want to conduct anything with a child $#@! like you who has the urge and wish for me to be banned.



        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        You need to learn to respect others.

        The Bet is not on!

        Wow - So after all that big talk you are backing out of our agreement/bet ?? Do you realize how silly you look right now ??

        I think there needs to be some accountability on your part. Lets see what others have to say....
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Wow - So after all that big talk you are backing out of our agreement/bet ?? Do you realize how silly you look right now ??

        I think there needs to be some accountability on your part. Lets see what others have to say....
        Not interested anymore conducting a bet with you!

        And I think you already know that I do not care what you think of meClick here to enlarge

        Frankly, when the new SLS BS comes out, you will be glad that I backed out of this betClick here to enlarge


        Good luck now.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Not interested anymore conducting a bet with you!

        And I think you already know that I do not care what you think of meClick here to enlarge

        Frankly, when the new SLS BS comes out, you will be glad that I backed out of this betClick here to enlarge


        Good luck now.
        Why don't you want to bet anymore ?? You seemed so sure of yourself before....and even now you seem sure that you will win the bet. So why are you being a pussy and backing out ??? You said before that all I do is cheap talk and now look who is backing out....
      1. Benz-O-Rama's Avatar
        Benz-O-Rama -
        Hilarious...

        I think most saw this coming a mile away.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Well he says he backed out so I guess that is that.