Close

    • Mercedes AMG twin turbo V12 changes - How the new M279 Twin Turbo V12 differs from the previous M275

      You should all know by now that Mercedes is bringing back the twin turbo V12 with the new R231 SL65 AMG. We originally thought this was just the same old M275 V12 that had seen duty in the previous generation 600 and 65 AMG's but the motor has received some updates along with a new M279 engine designation. The 6.0 liter V12 to reach its new 630 horsepower rating received far more than just different ECU software.


      A multi-spark ignition with twelve double ignition coils is used that Mercedes states provides for a smoother motor and more effective combustion. This also is used in conjunction with a new engine management system.

      The cylinder heads were also revised in order to flow better for more power. The turbos have been changed featuring new wheels and are mated to new manifolds. The wastegate ducts have also been revised.

      Additionally, the exhaust system underwent some significant changes. The catalytic converter system was optimized both for emissions and power. The wall thickness of the exhaust was reduced and the system is now 7 pounds lighter than the previous generation.

      Other parts such as the intercooler, throttle body, and airbox remain the same. The M279 is a nice update to what already was a stout powerplant.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Mercedes AMG twin turbo V12 changes - How the new M279 Twin Turbo V12 differs from the previous M275 started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 150 Comments
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        looooooool

        Car & driver is your source.


        this is getting better and better
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Why is ths motor even made? Is it nostalgia for a V12? The M157 with reworked turbos would move the earth and reverse magnetic poles just fine.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        looool. Right you are!

        All you got is BS

        actually you are talking about my 10K. Now how will the loser among us (which is obviously you) will pay up?

        You can send me your phone number on PVT and I'll do the same and lets talk about it.

        God I will love to make you look like an idiot in front of everybody.

        "With bedplate construction and dry-sump lubrication, the SLS’s M159 naturally aspirated 6.2-liter V-8 is a technological marvel. It’s rated at 563 hp and 479 lb-ft in standard trim, but will make well over 600 hp—perhaps as much as 650—in the Black Series. Mercedes will achieve this not with forced induction, but with internal tweaks. Power will be channeled to the rear wheels through a strengthened version of the seven-speed dual-clutch transmission serving in the regular car.
        It also will be the most appropriate application of the M156/M159 engine to date. Development of this wonderful powerhouse was led by erstwhile AMG employee Bernd Ramler, who in a previous role was central in the development of the Porsche Carrera GT’s V-10. Now, after just a decade in production, the M-B 6.2 is being phased out. Quite possibly the most responsive and baddest-sounding engine ever put into a Mercedes-Benz, it’s being replaced in most new AMG cars by the turbocharged 5.5-liter V-8. But it’s not done quite yet. Hallelujah."


        The only idiot here is you. The C&D link was just to show you that it's supposed to be a MY2014, released later next year - which is exactly what I was told from my source....which is not C&D.
        Regarding payment from the loser - I have no interest to speak with you on the phone. When the car is released then we'll all know and you can pay up.
        Alternatively, we can both wire the funds to @Sticky and he can hold them in an interest bearing account. Your call, I'm game either way - better go ask Daddy for some cash LOL.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        looool. what a moron. yeah now you want to change it to a model year issue. I just put out a model year , 2013. Ok I might be wrong, but that is not the issue here.


        let the SLS come out and we'll see whos retarded !

        I dont intend to wire anything to sticky. Be a man and speak with me and lets see if you can run your mouth like you do here on a forum!

        By the way I am currently Chicago. (sticky check my IP). So your cheap A$$ doesnt need to worry about making international calls. Now enough talking and get your 10K ready
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        looool. what a moron. yeah now you want to change it to a model year issue. I just put out a model year , 2013. Ok I might be wrong, but that is not the issue here.


        let the SLS come out and we'll see whos retarded !

        I dont intend to wire anything to sticky. Be a man and speak with me and lets see if you can run your mouth like you do here on a forum!

        By the way I am currently Chicago. (sticky check my IP). So your cheap A$$ doesnt need to worry about making international calls. Now enough talking and get your 10K ready
        Dude what are you talking about ?? I was simply pointing out that it will not be a 2013 model. That has nothing to do with our bet. Why don't you try reading before you respond. And what does speaking to you on the phone have to do with the bet ???? I've got better things to do than get on the phone with your dumb ass - the bet was made and I proposed alternatives on how it will be handled. But you don't want to wire any money LOL!!!!!! And you call ME cheap ????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
        What do you mean get my 10k ready ???? I just said I was willing to wire it RIGHT NOW, so that means it's ready you $#@!ing retard. Yet you don't want to wire your share ? LOLOL. Sounds like I'm gonna have a hard time collecting this bet.

        So since you are already wavering and can't come up with the cash now....I'll make you another bet and we can forget about the money if you like. The loser agrees never to post here again ?? How 'bout that tough guy ?? I'm giving you lots of alternatives and suggestions and you have yet to man up to one of them. Not surprising though.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Dude what are you talking about ?? I was simply pointing out that it will not be a 2013 model. That has nothing to do with our bet. Why don't you try reading before you respond. And what does speaking to you on the phone have to do with the bet ???? I've got better things to do than get on the phone with your dumb ass - the bet was made and I proposed alternatives on how it will be handled. But you don't want to wire any money LOL!!!!!! And you call ME cheap ????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
        What do you mean get my 10k ready ???? I just said I was willing to wire it RIGHT NOW, so that means it's ready you $#@!ing retard. Yet you don't want to wire your share ? LOLOL. Sounds like I'm gonna have a hard time collecting this bet.

        So since you are already wavering and can't come up with the cash now....I'll make you another bet and we can forget about the money if you like. The loser agrees never to post here again ?? How 'bout that tough guy ?? I'm giving you lots of alternatives and suggestions and you have yet to man up to one of them. Not surprising though.
        looool. Dude everything about you is a lie.

        I'm not weavering anything. Alot of members and vendors in this forum already know that cash aint a problem with me, but obvioulsy is for you :-)

        Ive done some reading on your posts. looks like you can never put up. All you do is cheap talk.

        Now have fun trolling you child.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        You guys... Lol.

        Jacob are you sure you don't want to wire me money? I'll take it to Vegas and double it for you.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Please at least debate without the insults, come on.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You guys... Lol.

        Jacob are you sure you don't want to wire me money? I'll take it to Vegas and double it for you.
        LZH needs it more than I do. help him out.

        looool
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        looool. Dude everything about you is a lie.

        I'm not weavering anything. Alot of members and vendors in this forum would know that cash aint a problem with me, but obvioulsy is for you :-)
        How exactly do you come to the conclusion that cash is a problem for me when I JUST said that I would wire $10k RIGHT NOW yet YOU are the one who said you wouldn't ??? So you use your Daddys credit card to buy a blower for your SL and now you are some sort of baller ?? LOL!!!!! A baller who can't even come up with $10k Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Ive done some reading on your posts. looks like you can never put up. All you do is cheap talk.

        Now have fun trolling you child.
        Once again, the only person here who is not standing behind his words and being a man is YOU. I agreed to put my money up RIGHT NOW - you DECLINED. There is no way to argue that. Well, except for call me a troll and backpeddling. Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Please at least debate without the insults, come on.

        I agree!
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        I agree!
        Once again go back and read and you will see that the first insult was hurled by you. I simply ASKED if you were retarded because you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension and logic.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        How exactly do you come to the conclusion that cash is a problem for me when I JUST said that I would wire $10k RIGHT NOW yet YOU are the one who said you wouldn't ??? So you use your Daddys credit card to buy a blower for your SL and now you are some sort of baller ?? LOL!!!!! A baller who can't even come up with $10k Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge




        Once again, the only person here who is not standing behind his words and being a man is YOU. I agreed to put my money up RIGHT NOW - you DECLINED. There is no way to argue that. Well, except for call me a troll and backpeddling. Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge


        your a jealous loser. And you will always be looking at what I own and what I drive. You seem to be knowing alot about my car and my mods.

        Ok.

        the bet is between you and I. Now have some balls and leave it between you and I.

        Call me and I will tell you how we both can pay up.

        you are really a cheap sucker. looool


        you are really good at talking 5hit on the forums like your some hot shot. I'm pretty sure if you see me in person you would run like a pussy
      1. Benz-O-Rama's Avatar
        Benz-O-Rama -
        I can be the private, non-interested 3rd party to escrow the funds. I'll even put it in an interest bearing acct, which the winner will also receive.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        your a jealous loser. And you will always be looking at what I own and what I drive. You seem to be knowing alot about my car and my mods.
        Yes, that is because your car is in your avatar and you started a thread about your modifications. Doesn't take much reading to judge this book by it's cover.


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Ok.

        the bet is between you and I. Now have some balls and leave it between you and I.

        Call me and I will tell you how we both can pay up.

        you are really a cheap sucker. looool
        Call you so you can tell me how we can both pay up ??? It's a bet you $#@!ing idiot, nobody pays until the bet is settled. I proposed we both put the money in an account and have my money ready - you declined. What, can't take a cash advance out on Daddys AMEX ? Click here to enlarge


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        you are really good at talking 5hit on the forums like your some hot shot. I'm pretty sure if you see me in person you would run like a pussy
        What you fail to recognize is that I'm NOT talking $#@!. I put my money where my mouth is - you on the other hand put your foot in your mouth every chance you get. And now you resort to threats if we were to meet in person ??? LOL. A true E-Thug. Hey, if you ever make it to Socal, PLEASE let me know and I will be more than happy to meet up.
        As a matter of fact - since you are in Chi town, I'll even pay to fly you out to LA. What do you say ?
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama Click here to enlarge
        I can be the private, non-interested 3rd party to escrow the funds. I'll even put it in an interest bearing acct, which the winner will also receive.
        Thanks for the offer, I appreciate that. I am willing to transfer what I agreed to immediately....but it's clear that Jacob is all talk and has no intention of manning up and standing behind his words here. Notice how he even dodged my alternate bet of the loser never posting here again ?? Just another spoiled, self entitled prick hanging onto Daddys coat tails.
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Thanks for the offer, I appreciate that. I am willing to transfer what I agreed to immediately....but it's clear that Jacob is all talk and has no intention of manning up and standing behind his words here. Notice how he even dodged my alternate bet of the loser never posting here again ?? Just another spoiled, self entitled prick hanging onto Daddys coat tails.
        Looool. You are a liar and you will never pay up when I win this. The only way we could do this is through a bank. Now contact me and I will tell you how (I've done it before). Be a man for once in your life and quit the cheap talk. My money is ready. Up to you pal.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jacob502 Click here to enlarge
        Looool. You are a liar and you will never pay up when I win this. The only way we could do this is through a bank. Now contact me and I will tell you how (I've done it before). Be a man for once in your life and quit the cheap talk. My money is ready. Up to you pal.
        What are you talking about ?? We have another member (who iirc has done this before) who is willing to hold the funds in an interest bearing account. That is acceptable to me, why not you ?
      1. Jacob502's Avatar
        Jacob502 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        What are you talking about ?? We have another member (who iirc has done this before) who is willing to hold the funds in an interest bearing account. That is acceptable to me, why not you ?
        Well , How do I know that he can be trusted?
      1. mramg1's Avatar
        mramg1 -
        You can trust Benz o rama.

        I will vouch for him, or do it for you guys.