• The controversial Mercedes Formula 1 DRS rear wing design legality being re-assessed by the FIA

      Teams are in a huge fuss this year over how Mercedes designed their rear wing believing it is not legal and giving Mercedes-Petronas an unfair advantage. The results do not show a big advantage for Mercedes thus far but the FIA is being pressured into assessing the design and ruling on whether it is fair or foul. Now, Mercedes built the wing system with approval from the FIA to begin with so where is the beef? We think Mercedes should be applauded for their ingenuity and if other teams have an issue with it they should start working on their own design.

      We will keep you updated on what happens but for now the system is legal. The other teams will likely continue protesting in hopes of a ruling that outlaws the DRS wing.


      Source
      This article was originally published in forum thread: The controversial Mercedes Formula 1 DRS rear wing design legality being re-assessed by the FIA started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 49 Comments
      1. PEI330Ci's Avatar
        PEI330Ci -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Not so sure about that.
        The 2011 car of RB was build around their blown diffuser, just like Mercedes has done with their implementation of the "double F-duct/DRS". Adrian Newey has adapted the car for 2012, but it lacks in raw speed, as shown in all qualifying sessions. It handles a lot better when heavier, like in a race with a lot more fuel.
        The 2011 RB car was not designed for KERS, and the system had to be given a place in a later stage of development, hence the awkward battery placement, which has given them a lot of malfunctions last year. Mostly in Webber's car, curiously enough.
        The batteries are still in the same place on the 2012 car. Ironically, that's where the W-ducting on the Merc is placed.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Was Redbull the only one using KERS?
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Was Redbull the only one using KERS?
        No, last year all teams used KERS.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        No, last year all teams used KERS.
        And this year?
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And this year?
        The same. The benefits of having KERS far outweigh the weigth penalty of driving around with the batteries.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And this year?
        Srsly, why not do a bit of research and read up some articles on F1 racing, instead of asking these very basic questions? No need to artificially boost your post count.

        If you weren't teh Sticky, you'd get flamed away instantly.

        [/rant]
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Srsly, why not do a bit of research and read up some articles on F1 racing, instead of asking these very basic questions? No need to artificially boost your post count.

        If you weren't teh Sticky, you'd get flamed away instantly.

        [/rant]
        I think you overestimate what Americans know about Formula 1 and secondly, why would I go Google when I can have a discussion with people who know the topic? We are all here to learn and I prefer to learn from the members in a discussion.

        If we were in person I'd ask. Of course I could just google it but then I also don't get members perspectives. If this is me artificially boosting my post count I'll show you what real post whoring is if you like.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I think you overestimate what Americans know about Formula 1 and secondly, why would I go Google when I can have a discussion with people who know the topic? We are all here to learn and I prefer to learn from the members in a discussion.

        If we were in person I'd ask. Of course I could just google it but then I also don't get members perspectives. If this is me artificially boosting my post count I'll show you what real post whoring is if you like.
        Hehe, I know most americans aren't aware that racetracks can have both left and right turns Click here to enlarge

        So I guess the F1 races in Indianapolis don't help to promote F1 in the US as much as Ecclestone hopes for?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Hehe, I know most americans aren't aware that racetracks can have both left and right turns Click here to enlarge

        So I guess the F1 races in Indianapolis don't help to promote F1 in the US as much as Ecclestone hopes for?
        I don't think most Americans are aware of F1 and the race in New Jersey does not seem to be happening so I don't know what to say about American promotion. I'm only following F1 due to BenzBoost as I have to. I'm not aware of everything that has taken place up to this year so I might as well ask.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't think most Americans are aware of F1 and the race in New Jersey does not seem to be happening so I don't know what to say about American promotion. I'm only following F1 due to BenzBoost as I have to. I'm not aware of everything that has taken place up to this year so I might as well ask.
        Oh, you missed out big time! The 80's were golden!
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Well Austin is still on the calendar, so F1 is coming to the US this year.
        It is indeed funny that Americans see a "racetrack" as a straight line.
        Instead of calling that a drag strip.
        In that perspective Mercedes could have been a USA company, for their high performance cars do best in a straight line.
        BMW is all about corners and handling.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Oh, you missed out big time! The 80's were golden!
        I know, I was born in the 80's.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        BMW is all about corners and handling.
        Not as much any longer...
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Oh, you missed out big time! The 80's were golden!
        There were lots of great races, although I'm not a big fan of concrete wall streetcircuits.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not as much any longer...
        ?

        Not counting the X- lines, the last M versions hug the road pretty good.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I know, I was born in the 80's.
        Ah, I thought you were a bit older Click here to enlarge

        Now I feel even older myself, being born in the 70's. Thx! Crap.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        ?

        Not counting the X- lines, the last M versions hug the road pretty good.
        But they are big, fat, and overheat after a lap.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        But they are big, fat, and overheat after a lap.
        Agreed, and the brakes are still crap. Even the huge brakes on the M5 overheat after a couple laps, as shown in various tests.

        Why doesn't BMW make a deal with a proper brake manufacturer, at least for the ///M models? On Porsche cars, you never have to worry about overheating brakes and fade...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Agreed, and the brakes are still crap. Even the huge brakes on the M5 overheat after a couple laps, as shown in various tests.

        Why doesn't BMW make a deal with a proper brake manufacturer, at least for the ///M models? On Porsche cars, you never have to worry about overheating brakes and fade...
        BMW brakes work well they just fade. This has been a complaint for.... forever.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        But they are big, fat, and overheat after a lap.
        All exept the best of all, the 1M Click here to enlarge