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    • Renntech first to break the M157 600 wheel horsepower mark with their C218 CLS63 AMG, new M157 horsepower record

      Congratulations to Renntech who simply keeps raising the bar on the M157 platform seemingly week after week. Renntech hit 602 wheel horsepower with STD correction on 93 octane pump gas. Yes, incredible. The CLS63 has a revised tune, intercooler upgrade, and a downpipe modification with 200 CEL cats. This provides 119 wheel horsepower over stock and 188 pound-feet of torque over stock. The best part? M157 tuning is just getting warmed up.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Renntech first to break the M157 600 wheel horsepower mark with their C218 CLS63 AMG, new M157 horsepower record started by Sticky View original post
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      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Says shoot_8?

        Additionally, what is the red baseline? If that is without software why is it so high on a dyno dynamics that you are claiming is set to read low?
        Sticky, they're both high because they're crank estimates.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        Sticky, they're both high because they're crank estimates.
        Well that makes this all the more amusing then, doesn't it?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        Your Dyno Dynamics graph screenshot clearly says "Flywheel Power (HP)" on the left-most X axis. This is the Dyno Dynamics readout that takes a wheel horsepower figure, and inflates it to try and calculate a crank horsepower guesstimate.

        If you don't know what this T-UAE car made at the wheels, which is what this thread's about, you can't say it's more powerful than the RT car.
        I should have seen "flywheel" tucked in there on the left. Regardless, it wasn't shootout mode either.

        I don't know why this guy is claiming I posted false info when he doesn't even understand what he was posting himself...
      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well that makes this all the more amusing then, doesn't it?
        Si, senor. Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I should have seen "flywheel" tucked in there on the left. Regardless, it wasn't shootout mode either.

        I don't know why this guy is claiming I posted false info when he doesn't even understand what he was posting himself...
        I'm not well-versed in how Dyno Dynamics work, but I think this is the same mode Gintani and Evolve have used to estimate crank figures with their boosted S65's. Maybe it's one of several "shootout" modes available? Regardless, it's cleary not wheel horsepower.

        I don't think anyone's posted false info in this thread - but, the difference is, your info is relevant... his is irrelevant for the topic at hand.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        I'm not well-versed in how Dyno Dynamics work, but I think this is the same mode Gintani and Evolve have used to estimate crank figures with their boosted S65's.
        Gintani used 8f for their teaser. There are different crank modes as well. Tons of modes it seems.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        Maybe it's one of several "shootout" modes available?
        shootout mode is specifically a mode one can not tamper with and it provides for uniform rear wheel numbers on dyno dynamics around the world. But it reads REALLY low so nobody uses it unfortunately.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        I don't think anyone's posted false info in this thread - but, the difference is, your info is relevant... his is irrelevant for the topic at hand.
        Well he claimed it was at the wheels earlier so he was wrong but beyond that I don't know why he is throwing this in Renntech's thread especially considering he did not quite understand what he was posting anyway.
      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        Ah, okay. So Gintani used "8f" - this one uses "SHOOT_8" - anyone know what the difference is?

        I see on the bottom of the graph, "System is in Shootout Standard Mode. Class: SHOOT_8." - so this isn't considered a "shootout mode"?

        DD's are confusing. There seem to be dozens of configurations and correction factors... I've seen DD's read really low, but others read higher than even DJ numbers, same vehicle/mods. They should just call it "crapshoot mode" because it seems so dependent on how that specific DD is setup.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        I see on the bottom of the graph, "System is in Shootout Standard Mode. Class: SHOOT_8." - so this isn't considered a "shootout mode"?
        No, the "classes" are different modes. Shootout mode specifically says so on the graph and you can't mess with the correction and so forth as you can see a large correction factor in the lower left of this graph.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        DD's are confusing. There seem to be dozens of configurations and correction factors... I've seen DD's read really low, but others read higher than even DJ numbers, same vehicle/mods. They should just call it "crapshoot mode" because it seems so dependent on how that specific DD is setup.
        Yes, they are very confusing and this is why I prefer a dynojet for comparisons.

        For someone to think a tuner is hitting 600 at the wheels in shootout mode at on a dyno dynamics means they have no idea what they are talking about.

        The point of shootout mode is to not make it a crapshoot though but you know how people are with low numbers. Then you have to explain it, put it in context, blah blah blah, and stupid people still won't get it.
      1. ls1carguy's Avatar
        ls1carguy -
        haha i like how this thread turned out. where's Teamspeed UAE now??
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        @Sticky WTF happened here, a quarrel among DYNO's LOL. Anyway as you state you stick by RENNtech figures, as a RENNTECH customer since 04 with my 02 MCS til recently with my 335d, I am inclining towards them 'cause their product has been great, on the other hand other turners they can say what they want to say, if they actually do impress by numbers well ok for me, otherwise I am a RENNtech customer for life.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
        @Sticky WTF happened here, a quarrel among DYNO's LOL. Anyway as you state you stick by RENNtech figures, as a RENNTECH customer since 04 with my 02 MCS til recently with my 335d, I am inclining towards them 'cause their product has been great, on the other hand other turners they can say what they want to say, if they actually do impress by numbers well ok for me, otherwise I am a RENNtech customer for life.
        It wasn't even a discussion in mind. Some no name tuner from the UAE with some random graph with no 1/4 mile number support is on Renntech's level? Don't think so.