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    • EVO Magazine: Porsche Cayman R vs. BMW 1M vs. Audi TT-RS vs. Nissan 370 Z - EVO gets it wrong

      Here is a interesting comparison by EVO Magazine of some of the best drivers cars out there that one may be able to actually afford. The supplemental video to the article only focuses on the BMW 1M and Porsche Cayman R leaving out the 370Z and Audi TT-RS which is a bit disappointing. EVO felt the BMW 1M and Porsche Cayman R were the class of the field with the TT-RS being placed in last place and the 370Z coming in third.

      In the video EVO's Chris Harris states both the 1M and the Cayman R are brilliant. The part that grinds my gears is he states M cars are not about the motor but the chassis. He correctly states it is the same engine as the 135i. Well Chris, that makes the car a 135is and not an M car. M cars are about the complete package including the motor not a cheap parts bin mash-up taking the engine from the 135 with some parts from the M3 thrown in. Sorry, it is a fantastic car but it is not a real M car and never will be as you yourself mention it does not have an M motor. Your definition may be that M's are about the chassis but if that is true BMW would have never felt the need to create separate and specific "S" motor designation specifically for M cars only. The chassis is an important part but it is just a part of the whole M experience which includes the motor. BimmerBoost will have an article dedicated to refuting your entire baseless assertion next month, count on it.

      The BMW 1M ends up winning this comparison over the Cayman R. Although the 1M is a great car, the Cayman R is the better driver's vehicle of the two. It is lighter, mid-engined, and has an optional dual clutch transmission which the BMW 1M lacks. EVO themselves makes our case for us regarding the 1M, "No, it doesnt have the immaculate polish and homogenous tactility of the Porsche the brakes are over-assisted at road speeds and it lacks the remarkable pliancy and supple body control of the Cayman but it counters with scintillating overtaking ability, greater levels of mechanical grip and a handling balance thats almost as sweet."

      It doesn't have the polish of the Cayman R? It doesn't have as good of a brake feel? It doesn't have the same body control? It doesn't have as great of handling balance? It wins because of turbo torque despite Chris Harris stating the naturally aspirated motors offer better response and make precise throttle control easier? We think EVO needs to figure out how to make a consistent argument that does not undermine itself and then try again. They got it wrong, the Cayman R is the superior drivers car.




      If the embedded video does not work, click here: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...ssan_370z.html

      This article was originally published in forum thread: EVO Magazine: Porsche Cayman R vs. BMW 1M vs. Audi TT-RS vs. Nissan 370 Z - EVO gets it wrong started by Sticky View original post
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      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The M3 is geared shorter and its torque multiplication is larger. The 1M has lag, the M3 has a better torque curve that doesn't fall on its face.
        This is the key right here...

        I cannot find the article for the life of me, but was reading a story about BMW Motorsport. I THINK the article was from Car & Driver - so it was surprising to me what they said. This is a non-direct quote, but it went something like this - "you buy an M for the engine. This is what makes is special and unique. There are no other cars that I can say this about except for Ferrari." ... They way it read was much better in the article, but the main point is that the engine - having a near perfect torque curve, an insane redline, great response - etc. makes it that much more rewarding than an engine with a similar power rating.

        I do like the 1M - however, really wish they stuffed the S54B32 in it - it would have been another classic car that I probably would have to purchase. Maybe another 100lbs lighter, and direct injection/tuning (CSL spec?) to add another 30 horses - and this thing would have ALL the BMW/M enthusiasts wanting one... Oh, and a DSG gearbox of course. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        I cannot find the article for the life of me, but was reading a story about BMW Motorsport. I THINK the article was from Car & Driver - so it was surprising to me what they said. This is a non-direct quote, but it went something like this - "you buy an M for the engine. This is what makes is special and unique. There are no other cars that I can say this about except for Ferrari." ... They way it read was much better in the article, but the main point is that the engine - having a near perfect torque curve, an insane redline, great response - etc. makes it that much more rewarding than an engine with a similar power rating.
        EXACTLY.

        M car's aren't about the motor? Ya $#@!ing right.
      1. DubSport's Avatar
        DubSport -
        Sticky - your site reminds me of the checkout aisle at a grocery store where you see all those pop-culture trash magazines. Total waste of time. Yet occasionally I still pick one up while waiting... Same reason I check this site I suppose. I just get so sick of hearing you rant about how much more "M" your car is versus most other M cars that BMW produced. Cancel my subscription. oh wait...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DubSport Click here to enlarge
        Sticky - your site reminds me of the checkout aisle at a grocery store where you see all those pop-culture trash magazines. Total waste of time. Yet occasionally I still pick one up while waiting... Same reason I check this site I suppose. I just get so sick of hearing you rant about how much more "M" your car is versus most other M cars that BMW produced. Cancel my subscription. oh wait...
        Your opinion reminds me of someone who only has 13 posts and rarely reads the site meaning therefore their opinion is based on a biased sample size they are intentionally skewing to promote a false assumption based on ignorance of the aforementioned. This making your opinion on the quality or what constitutes it essentially meaningless.

        I can tell you there are many members with more than 13 posts who spend time reading all the various perspectives and seem to enjoy them. What do I know? Site growth directly contradicts you so I do not even need to say anything. I enjoy people like you who criticize yet continue to read. They have been doing it since I started, and?

        I can always settle for more people read my opinions on "M" than do yours. Yours only being read because it happens to be in a topic I created essentially piggybacking off the strength of my opinion you are criticizing yet apparently is strong/noteworthy enough to generate a response from you. Notice the reverse has never taken place? Can't cancel that, can you?

        I am not referring to my car but referring to the 1M. All M cars produced before it are more M than it in my opinion. If you need confirmation look under the hood of any of them which is, in my opinion, the heart of the M experience. If you would like to debate this point rather than lob some lame little comments please do considering it should be easy as my basis for my opinions is clearly superficial and geared toward the masses just like the pop-culture trash you mention. That of course being the case meaning obviously I would not be able to use sarcasm effectively to make my point. Wait, did I?

        Let me know if this post was too complex for someone who reads the Enquirer at the supermarket.