• Weistec Engineering now offering Stage I Naturally Aspirated M156/63 AMG tune - +47 wheel horsepower on 91 octane, $990

      We thought this eventually might come but not so soon. Weistec has decided to sell a naturally aspirated tune for the M156 V8 which offers gains of 47 wheel horsepower on 91 octane, impressive. In addition to the horsepower gain torque is upped by 32 wheel, the speed limiter is removed, and the throttle response is optimized. The price is a very reasonable $990 which also is credited toward a supercharger purchase should one decide they want more power.




      Key Features:

      • +47 Wheel Horsepower
      • +32 Wheel Torque
      • Eliminate Top Speed Limiter
      • Increased Throttle Response
      • Optimized Fuel and Spark
      • Credit towards Stage 1/1+ Supercharger Systems


      To order: http://weistec.com/m156nas1.html
      This article was originally published in forum thread: Weistec Engineering now offering Stage I Naturally Aspirated M156/63 AMG tune - +47 wheel horsepower on 91 octane, $990 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Hey man, if you need a friend to help I completely understand.
        No help needed. He is just reiterating what I have stated. You just don't want to listen. Moe is very respected in the car community and I take it as a compliment and an affirmation that I am correct with him on my side. Ill take him as a friend any day. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Sadly Joe hasn't even agreed to disagree. That would be giving in to much for him! hahaha...

        Ive shared it with a few of my friends on the domestic side just to see if I was off my rocker as well. Good laughs all around. Click here to enlarge
        If your "domestic" friends are laughing I can't help but think they are the right crowd for where you at with your automotive and drag racing knowledge.

        You go on any real domestic forum where drag racing is prevalent and they will be the first to tell you additional horses don't go out to pasture when you hit the track. They may even be able to point you in the direction of good formulas for calculating hp and weight from your slip as it is all a rather simple mathematical relationship.

        There is a reason they call the strip the big black dyno because it works just like one.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        No help needed. He is just reiterating what I have stated. You just don't want to listen. Moe is very respected in the car community and I take it as a compliment and an affirmation that I am correct with him on my side. Ill take him as a friend any day. Click here to enlarge
        A million people can reiterate it that doesn't make you correct. What is there to listen to? More reasons why the laws of physics don't apply?

        I respect Mo, doesn't mean he is correct.

        You could use the help, trust me.
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        His argument stated that sometimes horses won't show up. I stated that in equal circumstances horses have to. If its enough of a gain, even in poorer conditions you will still see a trap gain.

        There aren't conditions affecting an increase in power as the increase will be there. Total power output can be affected by weather but traction and other factors like the suspension will affect how the power is put down not how much horsepower you have.

        His statement is wrong because on paper a horsepower increase will always show. There is no arguing it, you change one side of the equation (horsepower) you change the result.
        The point has always been the results might now show in REAL WORLD conditions like on the track. Yes, on the Dyno you will see 10 whp. But on the track you would need a microscope to detect the .0001 MPH gain from that 10 whp. Read it over and over again until it sinks in.

        The second point that Moe and I have touched on is that 10 whp can be cancelled out and not detected by real world conditions like wind, friction, weight ect. More so as you reach higher resistances that require exponentially more HP to counteract those resistances. Again, read it over and over again until it sinks in. I never stated anywhere that magically they disappear.
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        A million people can reiterate it that doesn't make you correct. What is there to listen to? More reasons why the laws of physics don't apply?

        I respect Mo, doesn't mean he is correct.

        You could use the help, trust me.
        Joe you need a huge lesson in humility. You are wrong as far as the points we are making yet your ego will never allow you to see it. Its a sad thing to watch unfold.

        Everyone on this forum could tell you that you are wrong and it wouldn't be enough. Click here to enlarge
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Decline has a huge impact. It seems almost like now everyone is trying to find that perfect 3% decline spot.
        Vegas is at least 3% however the elevation and heat are so bad it couls be a 10% grade and not be enough LOL.
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If your "domestic" friends are laughing I can't help but think they are the right crowd for where you at with your automotive and drag racing knowledge.
        Beyond yours that's for sure. Maybe you should take a trip over there and learn a few things. Click here to enlarge
      1. Exeenom's Avatar
        Exeenom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I discussed the tune with them. Did you? If you did "magic" would likely not be mentioned.
        Yes I did as well. I know they are doing good stuff with the tune, but that was not the argument at all Click here to enlarge What do you mean by "if you did magic would likely not be mentioned"? Earlier in this thread when I mentioned the gains maybe too much for this platform, you implied that it was because they were doing things no other tuner is doing. However, despite the "magic" tuning, results are inline with other tuners.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Has anyone else demonstrated larger gains on 91 octane with a filter and tune?
        Most of the companies I've talked to have shown me gains before and after a tune only not with filters, etc...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm not missing it anything you made the same mistake twice and took what, 4-5 pages to catch it? This is not my responsibility.
        Nobody claimed it was your responsibility bro.... all I hinted at was that I was surprised that you seem to miss it - especially because you have over 40,000 posts and seem to be a lot more in tune with internet forums than anyone else I know, so you have a much less likely chance of missing it than the average forum user. I don't know why you took that the wrong way. It's not a big deal man.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Mo, I'm not sensitive I just don't like that you accused me of not mentioning something I did that you missed. That is your fault not mine and you should point fingers at yourself.
        Bro.... my second mentioning was for my first post, which you missed... I didn't argue with your other claims.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You don't need to apologize I just want to make it clear the error was yours. There is no need to deflect, you were incorrect...
        Again, I wasn't deflecting.... you seem to have deflected when I mentioned your first reply to my first post yet I never said it was your error or that you owe me an apology. I'm kind of confused by your responses with the whole apology thing.[/quote]

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I do not know what errors people encountered with BMC filters but my point is that I believe the charcoal element in the filter is eliminated with essentially any of these filters, correct?
        That's why I think it would've been worth it to mention which filters were used and maybe have a post detailing the package specs, etc.... And if you are saying replacing the regular air filters would automatically remove the charcoal filters, then you are incorrect. One can aftermarket airfilters without removing the dedicated charcoal filters on the M156. Removing the charcoal filters yields even more gains.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Usually people will explain what each run is and that is done on the graph. If you look at it each run is detailed or else what is person supposed to do, guess? There isn't too much writing, all the necessary information is there. You know filters were used if you want to know the brand or what station the 91 octane gas came from I suppose you can ask them.
        Essentially too much writing would eliminate the graph out of the equation.... that's why other companies list the package contents in a text aside from the graph altogether.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No worries at all! I understand your suggestion and provided my perspective on it. I have nothing to admit to because I did not make a mistake, you did. I'm not even wound up and not sure why would you think so? This is how I always am.
        I'm not thinking you were wound up, I just never saw you ask for an apology online from a difference in opinion so I figured you maybe taken back by the whole thing. It's cool.... no biggie Click here to enlarge
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Holy crap, I never looked at his post count. 42,000 posts in 23 months? How is that even possible? Who the hell has that kinda time? What is that like 1700 posts a month? No wonder he likes this BS so much. LOL
      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Joe you need a huge lesson in humility. You are wrong as far as the points we are making yet your ego will never allow you to see it. Its a sad thing to watch unfold.

        Everyone on this forum could tell you that you are wrong and it wouldn't be enough. Click here to enlarge
        Sticky 1. can never be wrong, and 2. will always get the last word. I learned this one quite some time ago, but still seem to forget my own lesson and wind up repeating the same mistakes. Check out this gem:

        http://www.benzboost.com/showthread....-C63-AMG-Coupe
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        The point has always been the results might now show in REAL WORLD conditions like on the track. Yes, on the Dyno you will see 10 whp. But on the track you would need a microscope to detect the .0001 MPH gain from that 10 whp. Read it over and over again until it sinks in.

        The second point that Moe and I have touched on is that 10 whp can be cancelled out and not detected by real world conditions like wind, friction, weight ect. More so as you reach higher resistances that require exponentially more HP to counteract those resistances. Again, read it over and over again until it sinks in. I never stated anywhere that magically they disappear.
        How many times do I have say assuming equal variables horsepower will always show? How many times? Is bold necessary? Different color font? What will it take?

        16 whp does not require a microscope to show on the track. 16 whp even with your example is equal to a full MPH with a car that has a 1000 horsepower.

        You are telling me you need a microscope to see a difference with 10 whp on a car with about half the power? Huh?

        Yes, wind can cancel things out. 120 degree temperatures can as well. 10000 foot elevation too. The point is if you run IN THOSE CONDITIONS with less horsepower and then with more horsepower you will see the added horsepower make a difference. There is no way it can not. You can invent a billion different scenarios it does not change the mathematical relationship that exists when horsepower is added.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM Click here to enlarge
        Sticky 1. can never be wrong, and 2. will always get the last word. I learned this one quite some time ago, but still seem to forget my own lesson and wind up repeating the same mistakes. Check out this gem:

        http://www.benzboost.com/showthread....-C63-AMG-Coupe
        It is not that I can never be wrong, it is that I'm not wrong in this instance. I'm sorry if other people don't like that. Would you like me to change the rules of physics for you to protect fragile egos?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Holy crap, I never looked at his post count. 42,000 posts in 23 months? How is that even possible? Who the hell has that kinda time? What is that like 1700 posts a month? No wonder he likes this BS so much. LOL
        Uh, it's my business. I put in the time and effort. Boards don't run or fill themselves so I work at it. I also like for my board not to be dumbed down by people who think they know.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Joe you need a huge lesson in humility. You are wrong as far as the points we are making yet your ego will never allow you to see it. Its a sad thing to watch unfold.

        Everyone on this forum could tell you that you are wrong and it wouldn't be enough. Click here to enlarge
        A lesson in humility? I'm trying to be nice as possible but sometimes a person is just stupid and I have to accept it.

        There is not a single thing I am wrong on and I would love to hear what it is. I have yet to see you make a good point. The only decent one so far was, "I have Mo on my side." Good for you, I'm sure a bunch of respected people were on the side of those proclaiming the world was flat or that witches existed.
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        A lesson in humility? I'm trying to be nice as possible but sometimes a person is just stupid and I have to accept it.

        There is not a single thing I am wrong on and I would love to hear what it is. I have yet to see you make a good point. The only decent one so far was, "I have Mo on my side." Good for you, I'm sure a bunch of respected people were on the side of those proclaiming the world was flat or that witches existed.
        See, this is where you go to far. Stupid huh? You are a douche. I just need to accept that. There now I went to far... can we move on? Click here to enlarge

        Actually... never mind. Stupid is correct. You are to stupid too get it.
      1. Exeenom's Avatar
        Exeenom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Hey man, if you need a friend to help I completely understand.
        I hope we're all friends here.... not just propain and I Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        His argument stated that sometimes horses won't show up. I stated that in equal circumstances horses have to. If it's enough of a gain, even in poorer conditions you will still see a trap gain.
        Actually you first sentence is missing the words "at 1/4 mile track" and should modify the word "won't" to the word "might not". I'm not sure how would air resistance at 150 mph be "equal in circumstances" to air resistance at 110 mph? You can't have "equal circumstances" or equal conditions at two different speeds.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        His statement is wrong because on paper a horsepower increase will always show. There is no arguing it, you change one side of the equation (horsepower) you change the result
        That seems to be your statement not his... what he and I were saying that it may not show on the track.... I don't think he ever said it will not show period? Click here to enlarge
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        See, this is where you go to far. Stupid huh? You are a douche. I just need to accept that. There now I went to far... can we move on? Click here to enlarge

        Actually... never mind. Stupid is correct. You are to stupid to get it.
        LOL
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        LOL
        Oops... WOW Luke. Grammar corrections? I knew you couldnt stay away Luke. I mean Mr. Maturity. Click here to enlarge
      1. Exeenom's Avatar
        Exeenom -
        I was hoping we keep discussing this without personal attacks and pissing contests.... but looks like we're about to take a bad turn here....
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Oops... WOW Luke. Grammar corrections? I knew you couldnt stay away Luke. I mean Mr. Maturity. Click here to enlarge
        I didn't correct anything. Just found it funny you calling someone stupid and you can't even spell.