• Dragstrip 1/4 mile comparison between the C63 AMG Coupe and Cadillac CTS-V coupe by Insideline

      The C63 AMG coupe and the CTS-V coupe are both beasts in a straight line. Insideline decided to find out which of the two is faster on the strip. The curb weight for the CTS-V is 4200 pounds versus the C63 AMG weighing in at a lighter 3,990. A 6 speed manual was the transmission chosen for the CTS-V while the C63 only has one transmission choice, a 7 speed automatic. The result? The CTS-V wins (barely) with a 12.2@117.5 against the C63's 12.3@116.3. Considering the CTS-V has a motor with a supercharger and barely edges out the naturally aspirated C63 that says a lot about how good the M156 is.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Dragstrip 1/4 mile comparison between the C63 AMG Coupe and Cadillac CTS-V coupe by Insideline started by Sticky View original post
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      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        It's funny because I drove a V and didn't like it much and went out and bought a 550i which doesn't have the potential and aftermarket support the V does and here I am arguing on the other side of the coin but I bought it cause I preferred it as my DD not because it would be easier or cheaper to make power.
        lol....i mean u cant dipute the PROS of that line of engines...if you wanna make crazy power and not spend a fortune the LS line is the way to go
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Well honestly cost has to be factored in because of course the M156 is doing more without the blower. It has 3x's more money put into in from the factory. All the aftermarket components you dismiss have been put in stock on the Benz. You brought up design and I'm telling you without altering the design of the LS(ie I'm not changing the fundamental functioning of the motor) just upgrading components will yield a better result. That is indisputable.
        The fact the Mercedes has a higher price point shows cost per hp comparisons are ridiculous because the MB will always be at a disadvantage. Does not change the fact it is the better engineered motor.

        What is indisputable is the LS is an ancient design.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        BTW sticky....if i get my car and its build done before you get your car back I would see that as a very big problem Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
        BTW sticky....if i get my car and its build done before you get your car back I would see that as a very big problem Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but we need people to push these platforms as it is a boring world where everyone takes the easy way out with an LSX. The sophistication of German engineering creates a problem. I prefer it that way though.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The fact the Mercedes has a higher price point shows cost per hp comparisons are ridiculous because the MB will always be at a disadvantage. Does not change the fact it is the better engineered motor.

        What is indisputable is the LS is an ancient design.
        true...which is why GM is going to a new design soon.....but hey...if it aint broke dont fix it right?
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but we need people to push these platforms as it is a boring world where everyone takes the easy way out with an LSX. The sophistication of German engineering creates a problem. I prefer it that way though.
        I'm sure that's the hold up, the sophistication of German engineering lol.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        I'm sure that's the hold up, the sophistication of German engineering lol.
        lol....STICKYS CAR IS WHAT HOLDING EVERYTHING UP!!!!!!!...lol.....hurry up and get'er done Click here to enlarge
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The fact the Mercedes has a higher price point shows cost per hp comparisons are ridiculous because the MB will always be at a disadvantage. Does not change the fact it is the better engineered motor.

        What is indisputable is the LS is an ancient design.
        So its ancient and inferior how? With an m156 i get oil consumption problems, a glass trans, a motor that barely takes boost in stock form.

        And because it doesnt have dual overhead cams means Corvette's C5R LeMans racecar cant tango with the Porsches? When it did all day and ran without any hiccups whatsoever? At the 24hrs of Road Atlanta it actually dialed back its laptimes cuse it was so damn far ahead of the competition.
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        You know what, im down to spend 15k and make 1200hp on an LSA. I can make a few phonecalls.

        Not to mention those prices are listed as retail. No one said about discounts Click here to enlarge
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        You know what, im down to spend 15k and make 1200hp on an LSA. I can make a few phonecalls.

        Not to mention those prices are listed as retail. No one said about discounts Click here to enlarge
        i thought you were already building an LSX...i heard you named it "the sticky killer".....jk...lol Click here to enlarge
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Did anyone say oil consumption? Lol I've got 9,200 miles in my N63 and have added 3qts and that's after doing an oil change at 3,000 miles. So I've burned 1qt every 2,000 miles with the sophisticated German engineering. And you know what the dealer says? That anything over 750mls/qt is within spec. That's why I've been asking sticky to name something that the superior engineering accomplishes that a pushrod can't.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        You know what, im down to spend 15k and make 1200hp on an LSA. I can make a few phonecalls.

        Not to mention those prices are listed as retail. No one said about discounts Click here to enlarge
        Contact Vengenace racing.
      1. ultimateendz's Avatar
        ultimateendz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Contact Vengenace racing.
        we will Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        I'm sure that's the hold up, the sophistication of German engineering lol.
        Why wouldn't it be lol? Wish we had OHV engines and ECU's as sophisticated as a modern remote control but it doesn't work that way.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        So its ancient and inferior how? With an m156 i get oil consumption problems, a glass trans, a motor that barely takes boost in stock form.

        And because it doesnt have dual overhead cams means Corvette's C5R LeMans racecar cant tango with the Porsches? When it did all day and ran without any hiccups whatsoever? At the 24hrs of Road Atlanta it actually dialed back its laptimes cuse it was so damn far ahead of the competition.
        I don't see what the 7 speed trans they put in for MPG reasons has to do with the engineering of the motor. Chevy just skips gears to play MPG games manipulating the test.

        Corvette's C5R car can tango with Porsche's because its so much larger. The fact Porsche did what it did to the Vettes in ALMS for so long speaks better of whose engineering?
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't see what the 7 speed trans they put in for MPG reasons has to do with the engineering of the motor. Chevy just skips gears to play MPG games manipulating the test.

        Corvette's C5R car can tango with Porsche's because its so much larger. The fact Porsche did what it did to the Vettes in ALMS for so long speaks better of whose engineering?
        one overall Daytona 24 Hour win, six Le Mans class victories, and eight ALMS championships. For less than 10 years worth of racing, I dont think thats bad, do you? I dont count Porsche in with the overall LeMans victories because its usually won by their Prototypes or their 'non road-going' models. Corvette puts up a fight everywhere, and a damn good one at it, considering they are very new to the european road racing circuit.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        one overall Daytona 24 Hour win, six Le Mans class victories, and eight ALMS championships. For less than 10 years worth of racing, I dont think thats bad, do you? I dont count Porsche in with the overall LeMans victories because its usually won by their Prototypes or their 'non road-going' models. Corvette puts up a fight everywhere, and a damn good one at it, considering they are very new to the european road racing circuit.
        The Vettes do a great job racing but let's not forget Porsche is doing it with less cylinder and less displacement. That takes quite a well engineered motor, right? They don't just drop in the biggest motor in the class and call it a day.