• BMW testing the next generation 2014 M3 - Turbo V6? Triple turbo I6? Who knows

      The new 2014 M3 was spotted testing. What is interesting is that it was spotted in 4 door guise despite past rumors about there not being a 4-door M3 this generation. The main question is what motor this car will get? It is almost certain (seriously, it's certain) it will be a turbo motor of some sort. So will it be a tweaked N55? Will it be an N54 with valvetronic and some tweaks? Will it be a triple turbo? Will it be the rumored V6 with a 6 into 1 exhaust manifold feeding one turbo that then feeds into another larger turbo for some kind of compound setup? At this point, we don't think anyone other than BMW knows.









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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        However, I still feel that they should allow the M3 to be the big beast, not the M5. The M3 is a more agile, more capable car and alway will be.
        Outdated thinking on hierarchy and price is the problem. The M3 makes way more sense to be the top dog considering its weight and agility advantage making it the better overall performance platform. But M5 owners will get butthurt if an M3 blows them away. They can barely stand modded M3's blowing them away but they really have no choice.

        Mercedes even has to play on this as the C63 gets its "detuned" nature to prevent stepping on toes.
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Outdated thinking on hierarchy and price is the problem. The M3 makes way more sense to be the top dog considering its weight and agility advantage making it the better overall performance platform. But M5 owners will get butthurt if an M3 blows them away. They can barely stand modded M3's blowing them away but they really have no choice.

        Mercedes even has to play on this as the C63 gets its "detuned" nature to prevent stepping on toes.
        yes, this is true, but it's just so stupid to me that marketing takes over everything. I am sure others do not agree on this point, but what can we do.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        yes, this is true, but it's just so stupid to me that marketing takes over everything. I am sure others do not agree on this point, but what can we do.
        Only thing we can do is organize a protest to get people to stop buying M5's until BMW stop holding the M3 back. I don't think it will go well but BMW will only respond to dollars.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        I do not agree. marketing has nothing to do with keeping M5 the more powerful car and M3 the less powerful car. It's traditional.
        Surely M5 is more expensive, but numbers of M3's is quite bigger. reasoning say if it was marketing, they should have given M3 the same output as M5 if not more because there are more M3's out there and more M3's = bigger profit.
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        I do not agree. marketing has nothing to do with keeping M5 the more powerful car and M3 the less powerful car. It's traditional.
        Surely M5 is more expensive, but numbers of M3's is quite bigger. reasoning say if it was marketing, they should have given M3 the same output as M5 if not more because there are more M3's out there and more M3's = bigger profit.
        considering the M6 is somewhat synonymous with the M5, the M6's market would be crushed by a car that is cheaper, lighter, and faster than it. It absolutely defeats the purpose of an M6 if the M3 is the faster car. These cars, as you should know, are now more status symbols than they are purist performance machines.

        considering this, how would you feel in an M6 if the M3 next to you could overtake you in a straight line and if that same M3 could outturn you. Would you be satisfied with the extra money you spent on the M6, or M5?
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Only thing we can do is organize a protest to get people to stop buying M5's until BMW stop holding the M3 back. I don't think it will go well but BMW will only respond to dollars.
        I would personally wish that BMW made all bmw M cars with the same engines. Kinda like buying a 335, 535, (635?) etc. If you tear down the notion that says that your car is a better performer, it would not matter that one car is faster than the other, considering you KNOW that you chose the chassis that best suits you. For agility and performance, you would choose the 3 series chassis or body, whilst comfort and a smaller compromise in performance would land you in an M5. That way, you are not buying "the top dog" but rather the most suitable car for your specific wants and needs, with certain compromises based on the choices you make. And the higher price of the M5 would be justified by the higher number of standard options, etc.
      1. M3GTtt's Avatar
        M3GTtt -
        I am almost 100% sure that this will be a Valvetronic 3.0L Tripple Turbo engine, using two small on the manifold and a big one blowing into the two smaller ones.Expected power will be 500hp/650nm and decent fuel consumption.
      1. angelic0-'s Avatar
        angelic0- -
        I totally agree with Sveinn here, 3000cc inline 6, triple turbo with valvetronic and an estimated power of around 500hp and crazy good fuel consumption and very good emission control !

        I am hoping that they will go this route, and make it "race-ready" suspension and brake-wise (Carbon Ceramic brakes anyone?)

        An V8 M3 vs V10 M6.... i'd take the M3... as i'm not that big a fan of the M6... nobody seem to get the concept of a 6 series, it is a Grand Tourer... it's not in any way in the same class as the M3 !
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        considering the M6 is somewhat synonymous with the M5, the M6's market would be crushed by a car that is cheaper, lighter, and faster than it. It absolutely defeats the purpose of an M6 if the M3 is the faster car. These cars, as you should know, are now more status symbols than they are purist performance machines.
        what i'm saying is if BMW was just looking for money, they should have make M3 as best as it could be. Money is in M3's segment, not in M5 or M6's. the profit BMW gains from M5 and M6 combined is still less than what the gain from M3. Therefor saying BMW cares more about M5 drivers just because of money isn't right.
      1. CookieCrisp's Avatar
        CookieCrisp -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Squirrels are efficient and ​aerodynamic:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Eb1Nt6WIE
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      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        haha, damesh garm.
      1. alq80's Avatar
        alq80 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        what i'm saying is if BMW was just looking for money, they should have make M3 as best as it could be. Money is in M3's segment, not in M5 or M6's. the profit BMW gains from M5 and M6 combined is still less than what the gain from M3. Therefor saying BMW cares more about M5 drivers just because of money isn't right.
        You are right to a certain extent, but wouldn't that mean that the 1 series M would have gotten a V8? It is not that BMW care about M5 drivers more, but they do not want M5 drivers to feel like they got the inferior car when they paid more for it. It's not a hard concept to grasp, simply saying, the customers that pay for the higher priced product from your product range should be getting the better product. Now, when you are marketing M3,5 and 6 as M division high perofrmance track focused cars (I would call the 6 series a GT, not the M6), it makes sense that the higher priced vehicle, would outperform the lower priced vehicle.

        I am not saying that bmw only cares about money, because marketing is also maintaining a certain image with your customers, as there will be customers who only want to spend big, and they will appreciate little things like this.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Not sure if you guys have heard it - but here is the latest F3/80 M3... People are saying it's a V6 from the sound - I cannot be sure. It has a very burbly sound.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        You are right to a certain extent, but wouldn't that mean that the 1 series M would have gotten a V8? It is not that BMW care about M5 drivers more, but they do not want M5 drivers to feel like they got the inferior car when they paid more for it. It's not a hard concept to grasp, simply saying, the customers that pay for the higher priced product from your product range should be getting the better product. Now, when you are marketing M3,5 and 6 as M division high perofrmance track focused cars (I would call the 6 series a GT, not the M6), it makes sense that the higher priced vehicle, would outperform the lower priced vehicle.

        I am not saying that bmw only cares about money, because marketing is also maintaining a certain image with your customers, as there will be customers who only want to spend big, and they will appreciate little things like this.
        agreed completely.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Not sure if you guys have heard it - but here is the latest F3/80 M3... People are saying it's a V6 from the sound - I cannot be sure. It has a very burbly sound.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jEokuh46ks
        I said it multiply times there. We can't really say it's a V6 unless we hear some WOT footage.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        I do not agree. marketing has nothing to do with keeping M5 the more powerful car and M3 the less powerful car. It's traditional.
        Surely M5 is more expensive, but numbers of M3's is quite bigger. reasoning say if it was marketing, they should have given M3 the same output as M5 if not more because there are more M3's out there and more M3's = bigger profit.
        It's a combo of both. The M5 is marketed as the big dog which is traditional.

        More power in the M3 does not equal more sales necessarily. They sell plenty as is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
        I would personally wish that BMW made all bmw M cars with the same engines. Kinda like buying a 335, 535, (635?) etc. If you tear down the notion that says that your car is a better performer, it would not matter that one car is faster than the other, considering you KNOW that you chose the chassis that best suits you. For agility and performance, you would choose the 3 series chassis or body, whilst comfort and a smaller compromise in performance would land you in an M5. That way, you are not buying "the top dog" but rather the most suitable car for your specific wants and needs, with certain compromises based on the choices you make. And the higher price of the M5 would be justified by the higher number of standard options, etc.
        I like your thinking and agree with it but the problem is because does not give a $#@! about building the best car they can.
      1. black bnr32's Avatar
        black bnr32 -
        I tried hard to guess the engine based on the vid, but just can't put a finger on it. Sometimes I thought I heard a strage v8, others I thought I heard a hint of the s54 race car vid posted recently.just not sure
      1. _AMG_'s Avatar
        _AMG_ -
        Looks pretty beefy from the rear, not too crazy about the sound though.
        Any news when they will be releasing it?
      1. BTX's Avatar
        BTX -
        i reckon they are going the way of making more sales. like having an M across all range of cars, same as Audi having S & RS across all ranges just to appeal to customer segments.

        im quite traditional at heart thus i do feel the M3 shld be the only M and the others should have other naming conventions. For BMW touted track focused road cars, the other chassis and car types won't cut it, only the M3 is considered the pure track focused car.