• Next generation Porsche 991 GT3 will not get a dual clutch / PDK transmission

      This is rather depressing news as we were hoping Porsche had embraced the PDK especially with the new 911 putting up lap times using this transmission as quick as the previous generation GT3. In an interview with MotorTrend, Porsche CEO Matthias Mueller stated the next generation GT3 would not be getting the PDK transmission. One reason why may be due to the weight of the transmission which can provide up to a 80 pound weight penalty. The performance advantage clearly outweighs the weight penalty however so we say give people the option. For now though, the GT3 remains the purest driving experience one can get.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Next generation Porsche 991 GT3 will not get a dual clutch / PDK transmission started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        still an automatic transmission. If it can do it automatically it is an auto. It doesnt matter how it goes about doing it.
        Nope, means it has an auto shift mode. This same logic would mean because it can do it manually it is a manual. It's a dual clutch, it isn't one or the other.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        it doesnt matter its still an automatic
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        it doesnt matter its still an automatic
        Everyone else is wrong, obviously.
      1. DD GT3 RD's Avatar
        DD GT3 RD -
        why dont you make a poll? would be fun to see what people consider it
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
        why dont you make a poll? would be fun to see what people consider it
        The majority is too poorly informed which is why popular choice is rarely the right choice.
      1. oddjob2021's Avatar
        oddjob2021 -
        imo, there are arguments to both sides. FR305 and others who think that dual-clutch tranny's are automatic are right in the sense that it can shift automatically, and does not require manual input of a clutch. (KB's example of his wife is relevent here because if it had a clutch or required precise motions, his wife could not drive it without teaching.) the clutches are moved automatically, through hydraulics, whether in manual mode or automatic mode right? a transmission control unit (tcu) operates said functions automatically. in a true stick, the user's pressing of the clutch pedal triggers the clutch to be released, also through hydraulics, the driver must then shift to the correct gear and disengage the clutch pedal.

        sticky's argument is that the fact that it has clutches instead of a torque converter entitles it not to be called/named under the umbrella of an 'automatic.' its true it has clutches, and also true if you redline and do not shift up in 'manual mode' the car will hold the gear right? (better for road racing)... so in that sense it tops/is more superior to a slushbox. but the fact of the matter is if it performs its operations automatically, without input from the user except a little up-tick of a paddle or gear lever i'd call it a: dual clutch automated-manual transmission. hope this ends the debate here and we can get back to discussing the GT3 and its future in the 991 chassis. then again, this is a transmission topic/OP so this maybe the thread for this debate.
      1. DD GT3 RD's Avatar
        DD GT3 RD -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The majority is too poorly informed which is why popular choice is rarely the right choice.
        I agree, but thats why I said "to see what people CONSIDER it" not what it actually is.

        by the definition of an automatic transmission we all know its not because it has no torque converter.
        But by the definition of be able to change gears automatically (no driver input)its an automatic.

        I bet most call it an automatic, as I would 90% of the time unless I know im talking to a car nut.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
        I bet most call it an automatic, as I would 90% of the time unless I know im talking to a car nut.
        I agree, I bet most people would call it the same. This is why I don't pay attention to what most people have to say since they have no idea what they are talking about.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Make a poll and you will see that most do know that it is in fact an automatic.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        Make a poll and you will see that most do know that it is in fact an automatic.
        No, it would just show how little people know. Like people who continue to think of a completely different type of transmission as an automatic because it is easier for them to comprehend it that way.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No, it would just show how little people know. Like people who continue to think of a completely different type of transmission as an automatic because it is easier for them to comprehend it that way.
        Everyone here is an enthusiast. Make a poll we will show you how educated we are about transmissions.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        Everyone here is an enthusiast. Make a poll we will show you how educated we are about transmissions.
        I don't care about a poll. I don't care about what majority has to say about anything. Like I really value the opinion of people whose conclusions are so basic as, "It can shift by itself which means it is a automatic."
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't care about a poll. I don't care about what majority has to say about anything. Like I really value the opinion of people whose conclusions are so basic as, "It can shift by itself which means it is a automatic."
        Then you are an bigot.

        I baffles me how you cant understand that if it is automated that it is an automatic. Its very simple. You are overcomplicating things.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        pdk is better than tiptronic in all aspects. no argument but it is an automatic
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        Then you are an bigot.

        I baffles me how you cant understand that if it is automated that it is an automatic. Its very simple. You are overcomplicating things.
        So when it shifts manually it is a manual by that definition? You do not see just how idiotic that is?

        It is a PDK. It is not a manual. It is not an automatic. One day, you'll get it.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So when it shifts manually it is a manual by that definition? You do not see just how idiotic that is?

        It is a PDK. It is not a manual. It is not an automatic. One day, you'll get it.
        ha. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said it was automated, I didn't say it shifted automatically.

        Shifting manually and it being an automated system are two different things.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        You all had a huge arguement about this DCT/PDK and automatics bull$#@!, when that article of the 1M was posted awhile ago. Why bring it back? Send this bull$#@! to the graveyard already please.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        You all had a huge arguement about this DCT/PDK and automatics bull$#@!, when that article of the 1M was posted awhile ago. Why bring it back? Send this bull$#@! to the graveyard already please.
        I will as soon as people get it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        ha. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said it was automated, I didn't say it shifted automatically.

        Shifting manually and it being an automated system are two different things.
        Huh? You wrote automated = automatic. Since it does manual it must mean it is a manual. Absolutely the worst logic possible to try to bolster a failing argument to begin with.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Huh? You wrote automated = automatic. Since it does manual it must mean it is a manual. Absolutely the worst logic possible to try to bolster a failing argument to begin with.
        man I really cant help you. You are a lost case. Leave it as is. Its an automatic.