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      Always good to see these kind of comparison videos. We like real world, head to head, results. The camera car is a 2011 C63 AMG that has Gintani headers and OE Tuning Stage 2 ECU tune. The other C63 features MBH headers and an ASGC Stage 2 tune. Both cars are on 91 octane pump gas. There are several runs mostly from low speeds. The runs all have the OE Tuning car pulling quite hard. We aren't sure why the disparity is quite so large but great to see a real world comparison.





      This article was originally published in forum thread: OE Tuning / Gintani W204 C63 AMG vs. MBH / ASGC C63 AMG started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        Discussion forum so let's discuss?


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I spoke with Jeremy and I understand his reasoning for not wanting to. At this point this has all gotten so much attention it is in xtyper's best interesting to re-run with who knows what changes so Jeremy really has everything to lose in this.

        I'm not going to delve into it further but there are some very good reasons he is not willing to run him in particular again. It isn't my place to comment on them but from what I understand he is open to runs with other cars.



        This is the appropriate conclusion and exactly what one should derive, agreed.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        Discussion forum so let's discuss?
        Perhaps you missed the part below in bold:

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm not going to delve into it further but there are some very good reasons he is not willing to run him in particular again. It isn't my place to comment on them
        I've met and spent time with Jeremy and while he does rely on these forums as a revenue stream and advertising, he also made it clear that he is not interested in the drama associated with threads like these and all the speculation. I'm sure he has good reason why he doesn't want to run this guy again and apparently elaborated about it to Joe. It's not Joe's place to make those private conversations public. I'm sure you get that ?
        Anyway...who really gives a sh!t ? It's a stupid street race and CLEARLY there was something not dialed in with the other dudes car.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        I've met and spent time with Jeremy and while he does rely on these forums as a revenue stream and advertising, he also made it clear that he is not interested in the drama associated with threads like these and all the speculation. I'm sure he has good reason why he doesn't want to run this guy again and apparently elaborated about it to Joe. It's not Joe's place to make those private conversations public. I'm sure you get that ?
        Exactly correct.

        I asked him point blank, I get his position.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        Discussion forum so let's discuss?
        I've pretty much said as much as I can. He will do runs with people other than Xtyper.
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        "Thanks guys. Many runs were made, with the same results. The runs were any car got an unfair jump were not included. Each run was fair and from an even go. xtyper will agree with me on this. I have no plans to rematch unless considerable or different mods are done. FYI, there is no such thing as a partial reflash from the dealer, so I will not be entertaining that notion. Other fully modded C63s have also seen the same outcome.
        OE Tuning FTW!"

        That's Jeremys qoute on mbw, doesn't seem like he didn't want to get into the drama there!? Unless I'm miss understanding?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        That's Jeremys qoute on mbw, doesn't seem like he didn't want to get into the drama there!? Unless I'm miss understanding?
        He isn't slinging mud, he is just leaving it at that.
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        He isn't slinging mud, he is just leaving it at that.
        Opinions vary, I think that might have been stirring other pots not that I care.. Whatever falls coming,
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        "Thanks guys. Many runs were made, with the same results. The runs were any car got an unfair jump were not included. Each run was fair and from an even go. xtyper will agree with me on this. I have no plans to rematch unless considerable or different mods are done. FYI, there is no such thing as a partial reflash from the dealer, so I will not be entertaining that notion. Other fully modded C63s have also seen the same outcome.
        OE Tuning FTW!"

        That's Jeremys qoute on mbw, doesn't seem like he didn't want to get into the drama there!? Unless I'm miss understanding?
        This is still going over here too?? Click here to enlarge

        Well the partial reflash was just to much BS to not comment on... LOL..

        Other than that as sticky stated there are more details to this that will not come out. Its not productive, but lets just say there will not be another run.

        So how about we just let it die and let Xtyper hit the track and he can prove how good his tune/header combo is. Click here to enlarge
      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        I've met and spent time with Jeremy and while he does rely on these forums as a revenue stream and advertising, he also made it clear that he is not interested in the drama associated with threads like these and all the speculation.
        While I've not met Jeremy, he does seem to offer a competitive product and have many loyal customers. That said, agreeing to do highway roll-ons vs. competing products, as the camera car, with the vids later uploaded to YouTube... doesn't seem like being shy when it comes to tuner drama. More like creating and embracing it.

        It does come across, however, like trying to leverage the internet and forums as much as possible for improving his revenue stream, as you mention.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        Opinions vary, I think that might have been stirring other pots not that I care..
        Agree w/ Dodger... the whole intention seemed to be to stir the pot. Maybe OE has some beef with ACGSD, who knows? Not me - nor is it worth the time to worry about. Click here to enlarge
      1. BAD430BENZ's Avatar
        BAD430BENZ -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Maybe...on a road course. From a roll there is very little skill involved besides reaction time. Being in the right gear or powerband ?? Have you seen a tuned 63 dyno graph and seen how much power is avail above 3000 revs ?? These motors rev so fast in the lower gears...the variables you mention would make very little difference in this scenario. Especially considering the results we saw in the video.


        I don't watch NASCAR either, but I am familiar with it and the skill level involved. And it's HARDLY the same as the street race discussed in this thread. And I said mash the throttle and steer STRAIGHT. Turning a Cup car at 180+ mph with other cars inches from you on every corner is a far cry from this little late night drag race from a roll.

        I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that. But if anyone thinks driver skill was a major reason for the discrepancy in this race, then I suggest you take a few advanced DE classes and you will see where skill is really needed to go quickly; and respectively, keep up with someone who has it.
        like i said before , driver skill does have something to do with it . all of the Nascar drivers are trained to do the same thing , yet the better drivers are on top . i wouldn't expect my secretary to get in my car and get the same results as i do and i know she's not a retard . why might you ask ? because i know the car better . call me crazy , but Jeremy is a tuner that knows a lot more about his car than most people do . he needs to in the business he's in . i'm not saying that it's the main factor but i can assure you that he has done a little something extra . seeing as how he is the tuner and driver of his car , i guess driver's skill is a huge factor in this situation .

        i don't know why i reply to your comments because you are always going to come back with some reason why you are correct and others are wrong .


        the sky is blue and the weather is beautiful here in El Paso , Tx .
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BAD430BENZ Click here to enlarge
        like i said before , driver skill does have something to do with it . all of the Nascar drivers are trained to do the same thing , yet the better drivers are on top . i wouldn't expect my secretary to get in my car and get the same results as i do and i know she's not a retard . why might you ask ? because i know the car better . call me crazy , but Jeremy is a tuner that knows a lot more about his car than most people do . he needs to in the business he's in . i'm not saying that it's the main factor but i can assure you that he has done a little something extra . seeing as how he is the tuner and driver of his car , i guess driver's skill is a huge factor in this situation .

        i don't know why i reply to your comments because you are always going to come back with some reason why you are correct and others are wrong .


        the sky is blue and the weather is beautiful here in El Paso , Tx .
        I don't know either, because you really don't know what you're talking about. "Knowing ones car", as you put it, and having enough seat time to extract 10/10ths out of it are two very different things. Others in this thread have also agreed that driver skill in this scenario played a very small role. If you'd like to think otherwise that is fine with me, I couldn't really care less.
      1. BAD430BENZ's Avatar
        BAD430BENZ -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        I don't know either, because you really don't know what you're talking about. "Knowing ones car", as you put it, and having enough seat time to extract 10/10ths out of it are two very different things. Others in this thread have also agreed that driver skill in this scenario played a very small role. If you'd like to think otherwise that is fine with me, I couldn't really care less.
        ok