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    • Automobile Magazine does a video comparison of the 1M and M3 - Pokes fun at the M3 and Dual Clutch Transmissions

      This is designed to be a lighthearted video although as with much satire there is some truth to it. To be honest, the video is mildly amusing and we don't care all too much for the reviewer. Calling the DCT an automatic? Well, it isn't an automatic and some people prefer winning races and maximum performance to babbling about clutch peddles. Saying the 1M is what the M3 should be, is, well, insane. The M3 should be a parts bin M car sharing a motor with 135's? No thanks. Take the video with a grain of salt and as an attempt at humor.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: Video Banned from M3Post... Automobile 1M vs M3 started by FR305 View original post
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      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        I take the guy more seriously if he didn't have a giant set of Phil Mickelson man-boobs.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        Well the concept of not using a clutch pedal is what we call an automatic. The car doing the work for you, that is the car moving the clutches for you. All we have to do is hit a paddle and the car does all the work for you (automation). That's what I mean bro. I see what you are trying to say though, from a technical point of view on how things work inside the trans.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        Well the concept of not using a clutch pedal is what we call an automatic. The car doing the work for you, that is the car moving the clutches for you. All we have to do is hit a paddle and the car does all the work for you (automation). That's what I mean bro. I see what you are trying to say though, from a technical point of view on how things work inside the trans.
        This:

        Besides automatics, there are also other types of automated transmissions such as continuous variable transmissions (CVTs) and semi-automatic transmissions, that free the driver from having to shift gears manually, by using the transmission's computer to change gear, if for example the driver were redlining the engine. Despite superficial similarity to other automated transmissions, automatic transmissions differ significantly in internal operation and driver's feel from semi-automatics and CVTs. An automatic uses a torque converter instead of clutch to manage the connection between the transmission gearing and the engine. In contrast, a CVT uses a belt or other torque transmission schema to allow an "infinite" number of gear ratios instead of a fixed number of gear ratios. A semi-automatic retains a clutch like a manual transmission, but controls the clutch through electrohydraulic means.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        We all know what the guy in the video is trying to say. He hates $#@!ing anything that doesn't have a clutch pedal, no matter how good the transmission is. He's stuck in that $#@!ing macho Jurassic park mentality. It boosts his ego knowing that he has to work way harder than other people just to try to go as fast, and probably the fact that a lot less females can drive MT's lol. The truth!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        We all know what the guy in the video is trying to say. He hates $#@!ing anything that doesn't have a clutch pedal, no matter how good the transmission is. He's stuck in that $#@!ing macho Jurassic park mentality. It boosts his ego knowing that he has to work way harder than other people just to try to go as fast, and probably the fact that a lot less females can drive MT's lol. The truth!
        $#@! him.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        does it shift on its own without driver input? yup! well then its AUTOMATIC
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        does it shift on its own without driver input? yup! well then its AUTOMATIC
        Automated manual.

        Does it shift manually as well? Oh, must be a manual then by that definition.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        it shifts AUTOMATICALLY hence its an automatic transmission. a manual will not shift AUTOMATICALLY, you have to MANUALLY shift it Click here to enlarge Dual clutch transmission that could NOT shift automatically could be called manual, but this one does, so its an AUTOMATIC transmission, regardless of how many clutches
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Dual clutch transmission that could NOT shift automatically could be called manual, but this one does, so its an AUTOMATIC transmission, regardless of how many clutches
        But in manual mode it doesn't shift automatically so it should be called a manual then by your definition.

        I hope this illustrates it isn't clear cut. Anyway, a DCT isn't an automatic it's a dual clutch. Not even remotely the same thing.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        if it CAN do it automatically, its an automatic, very clear cut you see
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Automated manual.

        Does it shift manually as well? Oh, must be a manual then by that definition.
        Sticky I'm a smg/dct fan my self but unless they add a new classification if you had to pick one they are automatic because it does have fully auto modes and doesn't require the MANAUAL engaging of a clutch or changing of gears
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        I agree that the video is amusing, however I really think that the guy is contradicting himself... The first M3 was pretty much a race car - a race car is meant to go around a track as fast as possible... If we are saying this is closer to the "real M" of the past (logic following that it's a better race car), shouldn't we be looking at lap times instead of tire smoke in this video? Which car is faster around a track?

        25% more torque than the V8 this car has, huh? 295 + (.25) * 295 = ~370 lb-ft of torque... Okay, if you are at WOT after an upshift - you will get 7 seconds of this amount of torque until it falls flat at 5000 RPM - meaning it adds to average power SOMETIMES for 7 seconds (no idea how many times over a race)... On a racetrack, where the M3 (or an M series) belongs, I am wondering how consistent times will be lap after lap given that the car MIGHT or MIGHT NOT have + 50 lb-ft of torque out of a given corner. I guess since us novices will always have DCT on, we shouldn't worry about this since we are driving a magical "pure M" that spins tires sometimes and other times not IF we leave DCT on in the corners? Give me a break... This isn't a test - it's nonsense.

        If you want a car that will go sideways - either car will work (regardless of transmission) - on a road course that has enough straight sections, we know the 1M is not as fast as an M3. A car with 335 HP that turns 180 degrees with DCT off is good? I don't understand this. If you have a car that "kills you" when you turn stability control off, or turns around to face oncoming traffic when you are "racing" it, I would then say that BMW missed the mark. I think we all know almost any BMW with DCT off can get out of hand if you are TRYING to get it out of hand. Shouldn't someone who claims the 1M is the "real M" after determining all of this (while basically saying the M3 is not) - who is not a "novice" (if he was, "the car DEFINITELY wouldn't be for him") understand that tossing it sideways around corners is NOT the purpose of an M? I always thought M stood for going as fast as possible in near almost any situation without sacrificing everyday drivability and reliability... It doesn't look like a super car, but it will run right with them on a good road course.

        Just because it looks cool to go sideways/create tons of tire smoke/etc. doesn't make it a "real M" - when/how often are you really going to burn through a set of 700 dollar rear tires just to do this? Wouldn't it make more sense to put this car through it's paces and make a "real" test out of it? See if BMW DID make the car more capable of going faster around a track? See if it is as trackable as an M3? See if it's handling at high speed is as good as an M3? Etc... He is completely missing the point (by not testing it "properly") of what BMW intended for the M series, he then claims that it's the new M king. I think a de-badged 335d, with it's insane amounts of torque would probably trick this guy into thinking he's driving "a real M3" more than the 1M did. I am sure its burnouts would make the 1M and the M3's look terrible, thereby making it a better M series in his eyes. (yes, sarcasm)

        I don't understand when professionals rip apart a car just because something new is out. If the 1M had a DCT transmission, it would be quicker both around a track AND in a straight line. Period. How does having a standard transmission make it a better car than one that has DCT? Is it because you can tell other people you aren't a "novice" since you can row your own gears? Seriously? Do you really think that F1 has it all wrong? These videos cause so much confusion - people think what they see on videos is factual information. When this guy is spewing this nonsense, it just adds to the misinformation on the internet. I find this annoying - I really do. I understand his attempt at humor, but come on - a 1M is not an M3 - don't try and say it's better. Yes - the car has more peak torque; he fails to mention that the total power under the curve is higher on the M3. He also fails to mention it isn't as fast in a straight line. He also fails to mention that the M3 carries 8.5 pounds per horsepower - while the 1M carries 10. He says it corners better - which might be true, but after talking nonsense (DCT is terrible - it's an automatic, the M3 isn't a true M, etc.) - how can anyone believe a word he says?

        Take both cars around different race tracks - we know what happens on a tight road course, let's see some unbiased Nurburgring times or something. Don't diminish another car just because you were lucky to test it, it's ridiculous journalism at it's finest... I love the 1M, I think it's a great setup - I just don't like the direction of this... We now have an M5 with a turbo, and it seems like the next M3 will jock a turbo. I guess there is nothing we can do but sit back and watch - but when we start to tell BMW and their customers that their new 1M is better than the M3, I don't think we'll ever get another S50, S52, S54 or S65... Ever.

        Cheers.
      1. Yukohama's Avatar
        Yukohama -
        ^^^^ wow great post, really captures the essance of some of my feelings
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        lol, awesome video.

        3 pedals > 2 pedals, it's math bro.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        That guy was a dumbass driving the PDK.....
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        That guy was a dumbass driving the PDK.....
        WAIT, You don't who that is? Shame on you. EPIC FAIL







        What an insult.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        That guy was a dumbass driving the PDK.....
        really.
        I love manual transmission, but can't hide the fact PDK is faster on track too. he doesn't how to use it.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        WAIT, You don't who that is? Shame on you. EPIC FAIL.
        LoL

        Plato is freakin great.

        He is just having a little fun with Porsche's horrible PDK lay out. The PDK is amazing, but the buttons do suck royally.

        Luckily Porsche sells a wheel with paddle shifters.
      1. Obioban's Avatar
        Obioban -
        Is it automated? Than it's an automatic.

        Button pressing to shift isn't doing anything manually, it's pressing a button to trigger an automated sequence.

        Certainly there's various types of automatic (torque converter, SMG, duel clutch), but all of them are automated, and therefore automatics.