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    • Confirmed - C63 AMG Black Series will receive tuned M156 6.2 liter V8 around 510 horsepower, $100k base

      A Mercedes-Benz AMG inside source has confirmed the M156 V8 in a higher state of tune will be used in the C63 AMG Black Series. MotorAuthority and InsideLine who reported they confirmed an M157 twin turbo V8 would be used were wrong. It would appear P31 or SLS forged engine internals will be standard. It will not be an M159 (SLS motor) but will likely share similarities such as the heads but not the SLS intake manifold or airboxes due to not being able to fit in the C engine bay. Base price is expected to be $100k.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Confirmed - C63 Black Series will received tuned M156 6.2 liter V8 around 510 horsepower, $100k base started by Sticky View original post
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      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Does the C63 Black Series and other BS come with a track warranty? Meaning if you track the car and it explodes is it fully covered? Im sure its not for a regular C63 but im curious about the Black Series. Thats a big plus if you plan to track the car like once a month. Othwise ill take my voided warranty and my $75,000 buffer to fix any problems..
      1. JonsC63AMG's Avatar
        JonsC63AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        ANYONE can get on a bike and get a #. To be a champ is a different story. As with car racing as well. You think its easy to control a top fuel dragster? You think you have the balls to even think about getting into one and put down a 4 sec 1/4 mile? Both require skill and lots of it.
        Top fuel dragsters are a different story all together. These guys are at the top of their game. So it doesnt apply here. Now when you have a 10sec,11sec,etc car it doesnt take much skill. When you compare to cycling in the local,regional level which takes alot of training,preparation,dedication to become one of the best even in this level. I was a former NYS bike champ so I know what it takes to get there. BTW even in my Tues,Thurs night,weekend training rides where I ride with 20-30 guys who come all the time. Still struggle and get their ass kicked at the end.
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonsC63AMG Click here to enlarge
        Top fuel dragsters are a different story all together. These guys are at the top of their game. So it doesnt apply here. Now when you have a 10sec,11sec,etc car it doesnt take much skill. When you compare to cycling in the local,regional level which takes alot of training,preparation,dedication to become one of the best even in this level. I was a former NYS bike champ so I know what it takes to get there. BTW even in my Tues,Thurs night,weekend training rides where I ride with 20-30 guys who come all the time. Still struggle and get their ass kicked at the end.
        How many 10 seconds cars have you taken down the track? Ill let you take my 66 down the track and you will crap yourself. If you dont crash it and you post under a 10.5 I would be amazed.

        Ive done my share of mountain biking and all you need to do is train train train... lose a ton of weight. Someone like me cant keep up with someone like you on a bike because my body isnt built for it. I would die from starvation before I was able to get down to your weight. Beyond that anyone can ride a bike. However, if you and I got into the ring you wouldn't stand a chance. So just because you can ride a bike better doesn't mean you can fight better. Also just because I can fight better doesnt mean biking is easy. That's the way life works. The thing you decide to be good at and put your heart into is the thing you can do better than most. Maybe even be better than anyone with enough dedication. Road bike champs though are a dime a dozen. It takes training.. and lots of it. If you train hard enough and have the right body type anyone can be a champ in some regional section.. Can you be the best though?

        You keep referencing being a Bike champ. Care you elaborate? On what level? Where can we find you in the record books?
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
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        Propain easy ok I found a shot of when jon came I. Second in the state race last month
      1. P31-C63's Avatar
        P31-C63 -
        ^^^lmfao
      1. P31-C63's Avatar
        P31-C63 -
        I'm sorry and I've had a few drinks tonight, but I find those road biking guys look like the biggest bunch of ass hat around.
        I know it's hard training and a great accomplishment to bike all this way, etc.
        And beat goals, etc. Imget it, but why does it have to look sooooo gay.
        It just never looked right to me and it just never will.
        My best buddy is an avid biker and he's a cool dude for sure and I get the passion, but i could never put on one of this helmets and spandex and get on one of those things.
        Anyway, just my .02, I just will never get it.
        I gotta go t9 bed before I get too many people pissedClick here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        The quote was that the bs "wouldn't dominate on a road course with the setups listed above". I'm pretty sure it would. Sure a modified c63 would hold it's own....but only for a few laps if that then the bs dominance and engineering would overcome and come out ahead. Especially when you consider the big picture, warranty, exclusivity, etc...
        Regarding cooling....I think we agree many have reported issues and sure additional cooling can be retrofitted...but no one has done it to date that I know of. And I've seen lots of people asking abut taking bs radiators and putting them on c63's but again, no one has done it yet. I think that just shows that many "enthusiasts" have a very myopic view when it comes to performance and are willing to sacrifice roadworthyness and reliability. That for me, doesn't work. A modified car needs to be engineered so that it can perform the same way over and over and over again, without hesitation and with 100% reliability. Otherwise, it would seem that the true reason for modification is not to have the best, but only for bragging rights and stop light to stop light street racing. Which IMO is pretty lame. Click here to enlarge
        I understand what you are saying but if the main difference is cooling, that is pretty lame. Shouldn't the standard C63 be able to lap without issue? Isn't a Black Series more than a cooling package?

        What is there here that really sets it apart performance wise?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Does the C63 Black Series and other BS come with a track warranty? Meaning if you track the car and it explodes is it fully covered? Im sure its not for a regular C63 but im curious about the Black Series. Thats a big plus if you plan to track the car like once a month. Othwise ill take my voided warranty and my $75,000 buffer to fix any problems..
        No, there won't be any special warranty. Best to just not tell them you were on the track.
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No, there won't be any special warranty. Best to just not tell them you were on the track.
        So pretty much the Warranty arguement is out the window. The one reason I should buy a Black Series is because its an amazing track car without mods and I dont have to void my warranty to make it one. Yet if I use it for its so called intended purpose and I have a problem with it on the track its not covered unless I lie. Meanwhile the computer is going to report that the engine exploded at 150 MPH and they will not cover the warranty anyhow...


        How about track data. With the CLK63 I mean. Any data how it compares to the ZR1 and others?
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I understand what you are saying but if the main difference is cooling, that is pretty lame. Shouldn't the standard C63 be able to lap without issue? Isn't a Black Series more than a cooling package?

        What is there here that really sets it apart performance wise?

        It comes with all sorts of great upgrades.. Carbon fiber this.. light weight that... All of those things when they are done make the car just a little bit HEAVIER than when they started.. lol

        The one thing I will give it is its built like a tank. Has a sick rear axel and a diff made of lead and granite. With the stock power you probably couldnt blow it up if you tried. Again... Why do you need a warranty then?
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...6de96d11-1.jpg

        Propain easy ok I found a shot of when jon came I. Second in the state race last month

        LOL... Ahhh he forgot to mention he was racing 5 year olds!!
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        PetroC63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...6de96d11-1.jpg

        Propain easy ok I found a shot of when jon came I. Second in the state race last month
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        I almost pissed myself.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        I was using your definition of modification of a vehicle with aftermarket parts. The point was, since you missed it, is they are taking a regular old C63 and modding it by add parts to make it run faster, or cooler or have more stamina on the track ect. All those things can be achieved by doing it yourself OR you can pay the premium to have MB do it for you and have a warranty. If you want a warranty than tracking your car is not for you. From someone like you who knows everything about racing "Warranty" is not something I would have thought come out of your mouth. Either you have deep pockets to play the rich mans game or you stay off the track and enjoy your street car warranty.
        Sure, but as of now I have yet to see any C63 owner add cooling, just mods to make it faster and less reliable. Regarding my warranty comments and my racing background...they are two VERY different things. Don't confuse the two...I speak of warranties for STREET CARS, not in relation to RACE CARS. And we are discussing street cars here in case you missed it. The Black Series just happens to be a street car that can be tracked. Thats what it was built for, that's its intended purpose as defined by the factory and furthermore if you blow it up on the street or track it's still covered under warranty. We're not talking Porsches here. The factory encourages Black Series owners to track their cars. It even says so in the owners manual under the section about adjusting the suspension. So your assumption about a warranty claim while on the track and having to lie that it happened on the street is totally false and inaccurate. Check your facts before making statements you have no clue about and spreading misinformation.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        In some cases modding the car you lose factory reliability. A tune will not cause this is its done right. The tranny in the C63 has heat issues without modding the car at all straight out of the factory. So AMG should be blamed for that bastardization? Or is that MB?
        What bastardization???? Because they didn't make the C63 a TRACK CAR and people use it for that purpose ?? It's a street car man, it's not meant to be put under RACE conditions on the track for any extended period of time. Those dumbasses who do abuse it, and send it into limp mode should be very thankful AMG gave them such a well engineered machine that it can protect itself from their incompetence.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Ego? EGO? hahaha.. The car industry is completely DRIVEN by ego. Take away ego and the car industry goes out of business. What big picture? My C63 is fast enough to beat a stock BS on the street and I paid $75,000 less for it. My car depreciates slower than a BS. Thats a pretty big picture for me and a big ego shrinker for the Black Series that just got beat on the street waving his warranty out the window... LOL
        Exactly, it's all about your ego and street racing. And that is only part of the picture. All things considered, street, track, overall performance in all categories, exclusivity, etc - that's where that extra $75k is recognized. Clearly, you don't see the value there as all you want to do is race kids on the street and stroke your ego. That's fine, but lets just be honest and not make this about something it's not.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        Aside from all the bull$#@! talk.. Id really like to know how the Black Series compares on the track to a modified C63 like Dad's. I understand there are heat issues and endurance is out until those problems are solved but what about times? How much quicker does a Black Series lap than a Modified C63? That will give me a bigger picture of track performance.
        I'm sure Dad's is very quick but even he has reported cooling issues and going into limp mode IIRC. Don't know about times, but it would depend alot on the track. I do know that the C63 doesn't have near the mechanical grip as the BS.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        It comes with all sorts of great upgrades.. Carbon fiber this.. light weight that... All of those things when they are done make the car just a little bit HEAVIER than when they started.. lol

        The one thing I will give it is its built like a tank. Has a sick rear axel and a diff made of lead and granite. With the stock power you probably couldnt blow it up if you tried. Again... Why do you need a warranty then?
        Right, and none of that additional weight came in the form of triangulated seam welds for the entire chassis (which all race cars have), FOUR additional radiators and all the necessary plumbing, upgraded rear end and axles, shock tower strut bars, etc...yeah, all that extra weight was just in cosmetic foo foo bits of carbon fiber Click here to enlarge
        Have you even driven a Black Series ???
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Sure, but as of now I have yet to see any C63 owner add cooling, just mods to make it faster and less reliable. Regarding my warranty comments and my racing background...they are two VERY different things. Don't confuse the two...I speak of warranties for STREET CARS, not in relation to RACE CARS. And we are discussing street cars here in case you missed it. The Black Series just happens to be a street car that can be tracked. Thats what it was built for, that's its intended purpose as defined by the factory and furthermore if you blow it up on the street or track it's still covered under warranty. We're not talking Porsches here. The factory encourages Black Series owners to track their cars. It even says so in the owners manual under the section about adjusting the suspension. So your assumption about a warranty claim while on the track and having to lie that it happened on the street is totally false and inaccurate. Check your facts before making statements you have no clue about and spreading misinformation.

        Thats why I asked the question. No need to get all pissy because someone doesnt agree with spending 75K more dollars on a car that the C63 can own on the street. LOL. I asked a question. Sticky replied with what I thought was an informed answer and I responded. Try to keep up. Id like to see that warranty claim go through though.


        What bastardization???? Because they didn't make the C63 a TRACK CAR and people use it for that purpose ?? It's a street car man, it's not meant to be put under RACE conditions on the track for any extended period of time. Those dumbasses who do abuse it, and send it into limp mode should be very thankful AMG gave them such a well engineered machine that it can protect itself from their incompetence.

        I agree. I was just stating that the heat problem was not due to aftermarket parts as you stated. It goes into limp mode even on the street NOT only on the track. Many have said so. So dont be so quick to call after market mods bastardization's when the factory has the heat problem you said happened due to after market installs and exceeding the factory specs.

        Exactly, it's all about your ego and street racing. And that is only part of the picture. All things considered, street, track, overall performance in all categories, exclusivity, etc - that's where that extra $75k is recognized. Clearly, you don't see the value there as all you want to do is race kids on the street and stroke your ego. That's fine, but lets just be honest and not make this about something it's not.

        The CLK63 Black is an ego car my friend. No question about it. Im sure its a great track car but there are more FAR BETTER track cars available for cheaper but just dont have that little 3 point star. Also as far as my ego goes for street racing I can also beat one in the 1/4 as well. Street race kids? LOL.

        The claimed you speak of exclusivity gives the CLK BS worse deprecition than a mass produced M6. I dont see how thats possible if it is such a gem. Why do you think it takes such a hit when its so exclusive?

        Youre right, lets not make this something its not and lets not make the CLK63 BS something its not. Its a great track car and superior to the C63 on the track no question. But its not worth the 130K to me. Just an opinion. Try not to lose sleep over it.

        I'm sure Dad's is very quick but even he has reported cooling issues and going into limp mode IIRC. Don't know about times, but it would depend alot on the track. I do know that the C63 doesn't have near the mechanical grip as the BS.

        Ok, Nurburgring. How does the CLK BS compare to lets say the ZR1? How does it compare to the C63?
        ...
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        And if you were just looking for the best bang for the buck on the street you wouldn't be driving a benz either. I can assure you, there is no correlation at all between what I drive and my ego. I drive what I drive for me and me alone and could care less how fast some other guy at the stoplight is. Because at the end of the day, there are very few cars on the road that could keep up with me on a road course. Stop light racing is simply for bragging rights - nothing more.

        http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

        ZR1 did like 7:19...but it has ~140 more hp so that's not really a direct comparison...

        CLK BS 7:45

        C63 isn't on the list Click here to enlarge
      1. propain's Avatar
        propain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        And if you were just looking for the best bang for the buck on the street you wouldn't be driving a benz either. I can assure you, there is no correlation at all between what I drive and my ego. I drive what I drive for me and me alone and could care less how fast some other guy at the stoplight is. Because at the end of the day, there are very few cars on the road that could keep up with me on a road course. Stop light racing is simply for bragging rights - nothing more.

        http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

        ZR1 did like 7:19...but it has ~140 more hp so that's not really a direct comparison...

        CLK BS 7:45

        C63 isn't on the list Click here to enlarge
        http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y

        8:13 for the C63 but it has 50 less HP than the BS Click here to enlarge

        Fair enough. I believe you about the ego part. I think the Black Series is a great car. Its just not for me. I would take the ZR1 way before it.

        I dont buy for ego either. It doesnt hurt though. Cars make me feel good and of course being able to beat mostly anything on the street in my class is nice.

        I just wanted the most bang for my buck street car in a 4 door. What would I get for the most bang for my buck at this level in a Sedan? The CTSV is as close as it gets and its pretty much the same price. Were talking stock for stock. The CTSV is a bit better. I know, ive owned one. It wasnt as nice when I had it though.

        Stop light racing is for bragging rights I agree. I dont do much of that but I never rule it out as im sure you dont either if someone wants some of the black series on the street. Thats why I enjoy the 1/4 mile a bit more. Ive never been a road course guy but im going to get into it soon.
      1. JonsC63AMG's Avatar
        JonsC63AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by propain Click here to enlarge
        How many 10 seconds cars have you taken down the track? Ill let you take my 66 down the track and you will crap yourself. If you dont crash it and you post under a 10.5 I would be amazed.

        Ive done my share of mountain biking and all you need to do is train train train... lose a ton of weight. Someone like me cant keep up with someone like you on a bike because my body isnt built for it. I would die from starvation before I was able to get down to your weight. Beyond that anyone can ride a bike. However, if you and I got into the ring you wouldn't stand a chance. So just because you can ride a bike better doesn't mean you can fight better. Also just because I can fight better doesnt mean biking is easy. That's the way life works. The thing you decide to be good at and put your heart into is the thing you can do better than most. Maybe even be better than anyone with enough dedication. Road bike champs though are a dime a dozen. It takes training.. and lots of it. If you train hard enough and have the right body type anyone can be a champ in some regional section.. Can you be the best though?

        You keep referencing being a Bike champ. Care you elaborate? On what level? Where can we find you in the record books?
        The point I'm making here is ANYONE could get a 10sec car down the track. For example a modded GTR-so $#@!ing easy with AWD. Even a 300lbs guy or whatever. No way no how you can compare to competitive cycling. BTW I did win a handfull of races in the local,regional level. Records books? LOL. If I was I wouldve made a living racing.
      1. fstop7's Avatar
        fstop7 -
        After seeing the Weistec supercharged SLS rape everything in sight I'm OK with this.
      1. JonsC63AMG's Avatar
        JonsC63AMG -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dodger63 Click here to enlarge
        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...6de96d11-1.jpg

        Propain easy ok I found a shot of when jon came I. Second in the state race last month
        Lets see what you got big man. Tues and Thurs night rides come out.Click here to enlarge I will give you 1yr to train.Click here to enlarge