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  • Sticky's Avatar
    08-26-2014, 06:49 AM
    Dinan is a reputable and high quality aftermarket option in the BMW tuning world. However, the BMW tuning world has changed and Dinan has had to change with it. Dinan announced their piggyback tuning era (after stating piggyback tuning was inferior) earlier this year. Now Dinan releases their S1 package for the F10 M5 claiming 675 horsepower thanks to the Dinan Dinantronics performance tuner along with other supplemental modifications such as to the suspension. There are a few problems here. First of all, Dinan's piggyback box is $3,749. Why? What does it do over a JB4? What does it do over other piggyback tuning options? If Dinan wants to command the highest price point in the marketplace for a piggyback tuning box that is fine. It's fine if it's worth the money. From what BimmerBoost has seen, it isn't. Dinan can't live off his name any longer. In the old days Dinan would 'congratulate' the BMW engineers by saying they could not improve on the BMW tune (although other tuners could). Today, consumers have more options and the options other than Dinan offer more data on the performance gains and also offer their product at a comparable value. If Dinan wants to charge more that is up to Dinan but you would expect more data for the premium with Dinan's resources. Not a single timeslip? Not a single dynograph? This all goes back to Dinan's arrogance about dynographs and the white paper Steve Dinan released criticizing using dyno's for proof of gains. The reason Steve Dinan does not post dynographs is simple. It does not favor his product especially for the horsepower per dollar when it is relatively easy to compare graphs for competing products. Call this the N54 or BMS effect if you want but the BMW turbo era already proved more money does not equal more horsepower, safety, or performance. Dinan is releasing horsepower charts so clearly he sees he needs to change his approach. The Dinan name carries a lot of weight. However, it's with the uninformed. BimmerBoost users won't be ponying up for this without results to back it up. You want $13,487 for what a JB4 for a few hundred bucks with some methanol will smoke? Sorry Steve, the game has changed. You better change with it or it's game over. Dinan releases 675 horsepower tuned M-sedan that delivers supercar performance with the refinement and ride of an opulent daily driver. (Morgan Hill, Calif.) – August 2014 – BMW performance specialist, Dinan Engineering, has announced the latest addition to its signature vehicle line, the S1 M5. This twin turbocharged V8 powered sedan offers supercar performance with 675 horsepower and 644 lb-ft of torque on tap, but is refined enough to be the perfect daily driver. The 200 mph capable M-car features a comprehensive blend of components designed and tuned by Dinan, recognized for 35 years as the BMW tuning expert, to enhance every aspect of the vehicle’s performance. The S1 M5 offers the only warranty on the market that matches manufacturer coverage for 4 years/50,000 miles and on both the standard M5 and Competition Package equipped vehicles. The S1 M5 offers remarkable performance and the same warranty coverage, resale value and reliability BMW owners expect, all backed by Dinan’s nationwide network of authorized dealers and service centers. “Our goal at Dinan is to build a balanced performance package that maintains the soul of the OEM platform,” said Dinan Engineering President Steve Dinan. “This car is designed to be faster and handle sharper, but still offer the level of refinement that BMW owners expect. M-Car owners already bought the fastest BMW and now it’s up to Dinan to make it even faster” The S1 M5 makes a jump from 560 horsepower in stock trim, to an impressive 675 horsepower and 644 lb-ft of torque thanks to Dinan’s Carbon Fiber Cold Air Intake, Free Flow Exhaust system and the all new DINANTRONICS Performance Tuner that opens up the full potential of the S63 V8. The DINANTRONICS Performance Tuner is a highly engineered and sophisticated piece of computer hardware and software that enhances engine performance, without negating or voiding your new car warranty coverage and without affecting long term reliability or the functionality of on-board diagnostic systems. It was also designed to be emissions legal in 50 states (E.O. Pending). The ultimate objective was to provide the ability to control every signal entering and exiting the BMW factory Engine Control Unit. These items are unique to Dinan and together they embody the apex of performance engineering in a powerful, reliable, and warrantied package. To compliment the added power, the package includes negative camber front control arms, lightweight tubular Anti-Roll bars and Dinan’s High Performance Adjustable Coil-over System that gives the M5 a more aggressive stance and decreased body roll, without sacrificing ride comfort. Dinan’s adjustable coil-overs keep the factory Electronic Damper Control shocks in place and implements threaded collars to allow the user to change the ride height. The end result is a sleek lowered stance that provides improved handling to go along with the more aggressive appearance. Optional features include Dinan lightweight forged wheels (custom finishes available) and cosmetic upgrades from the BMW performance parts line that includes a carbon rear spoiler, a carbon front fascia and Dinan aluminum pedals adding a unique aesthetic touch to any 2011-2015 BMW M5. Dinan has worked closely over the years with BMW’s factory motorsports program bringing home three consecutive championships and two wins at the 24 Hours of Daytona along with countless Grand-Am podiums. With 35 years of experience building artfully engineered performance vehicles that balance tuned handling and dramatically increased acceleration with the turn-key reliability sport sedan owners demand, the Dinan S1 M5 offers supercar performance in a practical package. This package is also available for the M6 and Competition Package Equipped models. Dinan S1 M5 Product and Performance Summary Available for F10 M5 Engine DINANTRONICS Performance Tuner $3,749 Dinan Stainless Steel Free Flow Exhaust (Rear Muffler) $2,999 Dinan Carbon Fiber Cold Air Intake $2,999 Total for S1 Engine Tune: $9,747 Performance Maximum Horsepower: 675 hp @ 6000 rpm Maximum Torque: 644 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm Suspension Dinan High Performance Adjustable Coil-over Suspension System $1,499 Dinan Lightweight Tubular Adjustable Front Anti-Roll Bar $599 Dinan Lightweight Tubular Adjustable Rear Anti-Roll Bar $399 Dinan Negative Camber Control Arms $1,014 Total for S1 Suspension Tune: $3,511 Accessories Dinan Aluminum Pedal Pad Set $229 Dinan Deck Lid Badge Included Dinan S2 Serial Numbered Plaque Included Total for S2 Accessories: $229 Dinan S1 Package Total: $13,487 Options Wheels/Tire & Brakes Lightweight Forged Performance Wheel Set 20” $6,450 set Exterior/Interior BMW Performance Carbon Fiber Spoiler $613 BMW Carbon Mirror Caps $700 pair Warranty Matching New Car Warranty coverage up to 4 years/50K miles. Dinan Engineering 865 Jarvis Drive Morgan Hill, CA. 95037 800.341.5480
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    08-28-2014, 08:41 PM
    This race is simply a beatdown. To those that know the cars it should not be all that surprising. Both cars feature tunes from PP-Performance. The C63 AMG Black Series M156 engine is already in a high state of tune from the factory. As the 6.2 liter M156 engine is naturally aspirated and tuned aggressively by AMG there is not much room to gain power on the car. Certainly not as much room to gain with a tune as there is with the turbocharged M4. The cars put out very similar wheel horsepower figures in stock form as the C63 AMG Black Series shows ~430 wheel horsepower on a Dynojet. With a tune this can approach the 460 wheel horsepower range depending on how aggressive the timing is and the fuel quality. The stock torque figure is roughly ~405 lb-ft of torque at the wheels whereas the S55 in the M3/M4 shows 429 lb-ft of wheel torque stock. Once tuned, even with a modest tune, the M4 exceeds the C63 Black Series. Horsepower rises to over 479 at the wheels and torque at the wheels goes to 484 lb-ft. Combine the power and torque advantage with a quicker shifting dual clutch transmission and the M4's roughly 400 pound lighter curb weight and you get the result you see here. Not to mention the C63 AMG Black Series aerodynamics also create more drag. The M4 continues to pull impressively to 175 miles per hour and the C63 AMG Black Series is too far back to even be seen. AMG fans will no doubt be quick to point out that if you boost the C63 AMG Black Series things change in the other direction.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    08-26-2014, 01:49 AM
    A Volkswagen Golf R going up against a tuned F13 M6? Sounds like a mismatch and normally it would be if this particular Golf R did not the have the HGP 3.6 liter VR6 turbo package. HGP Golfs have shown great results against stout opposition such as a Ferrari 458 Speciale, tuned Nissan GTR, and an Evo X with a turbo upgrade. The first race in the video has the M6 and HGP Golf square off and the Golf beats the M6. It is important to note the Golf R has all wheel drive traction which really helps it as the 1/4 mile elapsed time of 10.672 for the Golf R versus 11.910 for the M6 shows. The Golf also beats the M6 to the kilometer marker getting there in 19.366 seconds whereas the M6 takes 20.770 seconds. The M6 is pulling harder at the kilometer marker by 2.5 miles per hour. The next run has the HGP Golf go up against a stock Lamborghini LP560 Gallardo. Power is on the side of the Golf with its roughly 700 horses. The Gallardo gets a nice jump off the line but the Golf has no trouble running it down and passing it. The HGP Golf R is much quicker than the LP560 out trapping it by almost 20 KPH in the standing kilometer which is certainly impressive. A Golf clowning a Gallardo? Yep. The final run is the HGP Golf versus a Gorilla Racing Stage 3 CLS63 with a claimed output of 840 horsepower. The CLS63 AMG should take the run based on that output figure but struggles with the Golf which beats it badly off the line. The CLS63 AMG can not make up the gap and is beaten soundly although it is pulling just under 6 KPH harder by the kilometer marker. From a roll the CLS63 AMG would win but if it can not run down the Golf in over a half mile, well, that shows just how impressive the HGP Golf is. The HGP Golf R beats all three cars it goes up against and although it does not have the outright fastest trap speed it has plenty of power and is able to put its power to the ground. Sometimes that is more important than peak horsepower figures.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    08-26-2014, 12:46 AM
    Two turbocharged all wheel drive german luxury performance sedans going at it here. The Audi RS7 offers 560 horsepower stock from a 4.0 liter twin turbo V8. The Porsche Panamera Turbo has a larger 4.8 liter V8 that is also twin turbocharged but it is less powerful rated at 520 horsepower. Porsche offers an optional power kit for roughly $20k that boosts the output into the 540 horsepower range thanks to upgraded turbochargers and more aggressive tuning. The Porsche Panamera Turbo uses a PDK dual clutch transmission whereas the RS7 uses a more traditional automatic. The weight between the two is a wash in the 44XX range. We have already seen the RS7 beat the Panamera Turbo decisively in a straight line but does the power kit change the outcome? No, the RS7 is still faster. Even if the more powerful Panamera Turbo S with its 570 horsepower were put in place of this Panamer Turbo the RS7 still looks like it is too strong to overcome. The RS7 despite its smaller motor and lack of a dual clutch transmission simply is the stronger car especially considering just an ECU tune gets it into the 10's in the ~130 trap speed range. The RS7 is a beast.
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    08-27-2014, 11:44 PM
    Last month German publication Sport Auto compared a 1992 E30 M3 DTM car to the F80 M3 on the Hockenheim and the E30 DTM car crushed it. This led to F80 M3 fanboys stating the comparison was not fair because the E30 M3 DTM car is a race car and the F80 M3 is a street car. Apparently a three decade old design with a naturally aspirated four banger beating up on the pride of the modern M division ruffled some feathers. Well, here is a comparison with an E30 M3 that is much closer to the street car. The 1987 FIA Group A car is less powerful than the E30 DTM car and even closer to the E30 M3 street car. Additionally, Mid-Ohio is a larger race track than the tighter Hockenheim that gives an edge to power meaning the straightaways favor much more powerful F80 M3. Before we get into which car excels where on this racetrack we want to highlight the difference in powertrains here. The E30 M3 has a four-cylinder which was developed specifically for FIA and DTM racing. The four-cylinder offered higher revs than BMW's inline-6's at the time and sitting further back in the chassis it offered better balance. The S14 as it is fondly remembered was developed by the same man responsible for BMW's insane 1500+ horsepower turbo four cylinder engine era: "The engine was a highlight. Although there was an internal push to use one of BMW's signature inline-sixes, M technical director Paul Rosche, the mad genius behind BMW's 1400-hp, four-cylinder Formula 1 engines, wanted the balance and high-rpm stability of a twin-cam four. To make the first prototype, he literally sawed two cylinders from the head of an M88—the 24-valve six from the M1 supercar—and paired it with a version of the iron block used in the 2002tii. (Fun facts: The F1 project started with that same block, and Rosche was later responsible for the McLaren F1's V-12.) Test engines vibrated themselves to pieces but produced around 200 hp and more than 7000 rpm." So in the F80 M3 you have modern BMW M power with forced air providing close to 500 horses and in the 1987 E30 M3 Group A car you have an S14 four-cylinder spinning to around ~8000 rpm with roughly 320 horses. The later DTM cars had more displacement and revved to roughly ~10000 rpm with 340+ horsepower. The DTM car obviously offers a bit more power, torque, and tighter gearing. The weight difference between the two cars is about 1400 pounds which is night and day. So how does this play out? The F80 M3 dominates the straights and the E30 M3 dominates the twisties. The end result is practically a wash with the F80 M3 coming ahead by three tenths thanks to its shift speed and straightaway advantage. The comparison plays out exactly as it should. The new car is more powerful and technologically advanced but the track oriented E30 M3 is still more than a match on the roadcourse. Very different M cars but it is certainly interesting to see the past and present compared: Source
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    08-27-2014, 10:42 PM
    With the new turbocharged V8 era one issue the heavy AMG sedans face is heat soak. This is especially prevalent after multiple WOT (wide open throttle) runs and exacerbated by high summer temps or warm climates. To prevent heat soak which will cause a loss of power cooling upgrades are necessary. This is especially true on modified cars which of course will generate even more heat and likely be driven aggressively. AMS has a solution with their boost cooler system to maintain optimum performance. The system drops temps by almost 60 degrees according to AMS testing which is a very large temperature drop. Further details on the $2695.00 system (available for pre-facelift E63 and CLS63 RWD models) including what it contains as well as design choices below in the words of AMS: The Alpha Performance E63 (W212) 5.5L Bi Turbo Boost Cooler System is a great addition to your M157 equipped AMG whether your car is stock or modified. The cooling system features a large, high efficiency heat exchanger located at the front of the car, a reservoir that holds over a gallon of coolant in the passenger front fender well and a high flow brushless pump which runs complementary to the factory pump. Whether you live in a hot climate area, enjoy long spirited drives in the mountains or long high speed pulls on airstrips, the M157 Boost Cooler will keep your intake temps low and maintain your AMG’s maximum output no matter the ambient conditions. As with all Alpha Products, everything needed to install the system is included – bolts, fittings, lines etc. Best of all, no drilling on the car is required. Hard ‘Core’ The most important part of an efficient heat exchanger system is the core, skimping here could mean the overall performance of an ‘upgraded’ system might be worse than stock! Our Alpha core is a high quality, made in the UK, double pass design where the coolant makes two passes through the unit vs competing products which use a single pass design. Our unit works with the factory heat exchanger giving you a significant boost in cooling power. Innovative Reservoir Means Zero Lost Trunk Space! The hand fabricated Alpha reservoir acts as a large heat sink to keep coolant temperatures low and stable. With over a gallon of additional coolant on board, it increases the cycle time allowing it to dissipate more heat before being recirculated, working as a large thermal reservoir, keeping the horsepower-killing heat soak at bay. With its trick mounting location in the passenger fender well, you don’t have to worry about running lines to the rear of the car, drilling holes in your trunk's floorboard, or giving up valuable trunk space! Pumped up! To give you the best possible performance and keep the coolant flowing efficiently through the heat exchangers, we added an additional high flow pump to run in conjunction with the OEM pump. The combination of the two pumps allow a high flow rate to keep the fluid moving and maintains that flow rate at higher pressures giving you the assurance your car will stay cool in hot climates or on those top speed pulls. Exclusive Benefits: Unique Fender Mounted Reservoir Unlike Competing Designs, No Drilling or Cutting of Body Panels Required Short Line Routing Works with both Distronic and Non-Distronic Vehicles OEM Fit and Finish System Includes: Hand Fabricated Reservoir High Efficiency Double Pass Heat Exchanger High Flow Brushless Coolant Pump 4 ply Heavy Duty Silicone Hose High Pressure Coolant Line Distronic Bracket (Optional) CLS 63 Adapter (Optional) Pump Control w/Harness All Clamps, Fittings, Bolts, Brackets and Hardware Applications: 2012-2013 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Non-4Matic (W212) Special Product Notes: Some early M157 5.5L Bi Turbo models came with a non-divorced cooling system, our system requires the system be divorced. If you have an early model that does not have a coolant reservoir under the engine cover (see image in More Images tab) you will need to add the divorce kit from the options menu. Our divorce kit uses OEM Mercedes-Benz parts.
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    08-27-2014, 02:09 AM
    Here are some Dynojet dyno numbers for an APR Stage I tuned MKVII Volkswagen GTI. APR released their Stage I MKVII GTI tune software last month but as APR uses a Dynapack hub dyno the numbers tend to be higher than other popular dynamometers. The results on the Dynojet here are interesting as the 91 octane Dynojet peak horsepower figure of 286 wheel horsepower is higher than the 281 wheel horsepower figure APR posted themselves. The torque figure of 460 is in newton meters. Converted to lb-ft it comes out to 339. APR's figure is 356 lb-ft of torque. Interestingly the horsepower figure is higher but the torque figure is lower on the Dynojet than the Dynapack. Critcism of APR's numbers being high due to their dyno may be overblown. Solid results with the GTI approaching 300 wheel horsepower with just a base Stage I tune.
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    08-28-2014, 12:47 AM
    The Porsche 918 Spyder is one of the most absurdly expensive, absurdly awesome, and absurdly technologically advanced cars on planet earth. It is the highest performance vehicle Porsche has ever offered in production trim for the street. So what does one do if they happen to be fortunate enough to own the 887 horsepower hybrid supercar capable of 0-60 in 2.4 seconds and clearing the 1/4 mile in 10.0 seconds flat? Take it shopping of course. The two women here (not exactly lookers, hey, this is a site filled with guys what do you expect?) are struggling to fit their shopping bags into the small bonnet up front. Why these two women took a 918 Spyder shopping and why they even have a 918 Spyder is anyone's guess. A passerby happens to capture the hilarity on video. Dear 918 Spyder owners, do not use the car as a shopping bag mule. It deserves much better.
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    08-27-2014, 02:41 AM
    This video is similar to another posted earlier this month showing the acceleration of the Lamborghini Huracan from a standstill. The difference is that the previous video was from the Russians over at Dragtimes.info and this one comes from the professional German automotive publication Sport Auto. The Germans use the launch control feature (known as thrust mode) and take the car up from a stop to a higher speed hitting an indicated 341 kilometers per hour or 211.8 miles per hour. At high speeds speedometers are known to read high so the car is likely traveling a bit slower than indicated but either way hitting over 200 miles per hour as quickly as they did in a completely stock car is incredible. The Huracan launches from a stop at roughly 4000 rpm with no drama and just rockets through the gears until topping out. It is a hell of a car right out of the box.
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    08-26-2014, 12:05 AM
    The 507 package for the W204 C63 AMG does exactly as the name implies which is raising output to 507 horsepower. Most people reading here should know the standard C63 AMG despite sharing the same naturally aspirated M156 V8 with many other 63 AMG models is detuned on purpose to maintain a horsepower hierarchy based on purchase price. The 507 package essentially bumps the C63 AMG output up to what Mercedes could have always released it with if they chose to. The 507 package includes the P31 option as standard which provides the M156 with engine internals from the M159 V8 based in the SLS Black Series which is essentially just an uprated M156 itself. That means the internals are stronger and that the tuning can be more aggressive which it certainly is. Tuners have struggled to increase output on P31 cars and some tuners have 'allegedly' flashed the factory P31 AMG tune claiming it was their own aftermarket tune. Gaining power on the 507 edition and P31 cars requires some serious skill and experience with the M156/M159 motors. Eurocharged displays their experience with solid tune only gains. Actually, very healthy tune only gains. These dyno results come from a Eurocharged's Toronto dealer and they use a Dyno Dynamics dynamometers. This particular Dyno Dynamics appears to be set to read more like the number friendly Dynojet. Regardless, what is important is the number before and after. The baseline is 418.3 horsepower to the wheels and the tuned peak figure is 442.3 horsepower to the wheels. That is a gain of 24 horsepower at the wheels which certainly is impressive. Especially considering torque gains are achieved throughout the entire curve. Very solid results, graphs below.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    08-28-2014, 07:54 PM
    It is always amusing when the 'professionals' get things wrong. Road and Track has been around for quite a while and usually does good work. Their latest article on the rumored turbocharged 991.2 facelift (or 992 successor) not making sense is not their best work. Their 'senior editor' Jason Cammisa states that displacement is not the enemy as his argument against turbocharging the base 911 model. He is wrong as displacement is the enemy in the 911. Cammisa uses the 6.2 liter V8 LT4 from the C7 Corvette as evidence of a motor not needing to be turbocharged. He is partially correct here as an engine does not need to be turbocharged to offer good performance or good fuel economy especially with high compression direct injection motors these days. However, the only reason the LT4 works so well in the C7 Corvette is due to its displacement. It can run in four cylinder mode to save fuel because it is a 6.2 liter V8. Cutting a 3.4 liter 911 flat-6 in half to save fuel will not offer the same torque or power as the LT4 when it is running on half its cylinders. Turbocharging will eventually be used throughout the entire Porsche model lineup (with the GT3 likely the only exception). Porsche is not going to cram a big V8 under the hood of the 911 or Cayman. We know a new family of boxer turbocharged four-cylinder motors are coming and will be used in the Cayman and Boxster. It is just a matter of time before the 911 lineup becomes turbocharged as well likely using this same engine family. The article by Road and Track's Jason Cammisa can hardly be called an article. It's garbage. The Porsche flat-6 in naturally aspirated form can not be pushed much further. Displacement actually is the enemy. What are they supposed to do exactly? The GT3 already shows the limits of the engine in street trim. Porsche can probably take it to 4.0 liters, maybe 4.2, and that is it. What is next? 10,000 rpm (and greater reliability issues) redlines? That is not going to help fuel economy as if it did BMW M would still be using their high revving naturally aspirated motors instead of going the turbocharged route. High revving motors do consume more fuel than their turbocharged lower displacement counterparts despite Cammisa's claim this is not true based on nothing more than his opinion. Additionally, he states the 911 is the not the problem but that instead Porsche's sedans and SUV's need to become more fuel efficient. Um, Jason, did you happen to notice that the Panamera S ditched its V8 for a turbo V6 and the Cayenne S is doing the same thing? They gain torque, power, and efficiency by doing so. How have you missed this? The 911 is not a Corvette. It does not have a big V8 that can comfortably offer enough torque to keep revs low or move the car relatively easily when running on half the cylinders. Applying the GM LT4 V8 to the 911 lineup does not make sense with the current flat-6 architecture. These are completely different cars with completely different motors. Cammisa concludes his article stating that the 3.8 liter flat-6 engine of the 991 Carrera S gets 1 MPG better than the LT4 in the Corvette. Would it get that 1 MPG better than the Corvette if it had the same output? Illogical comparisons make for illogical conclusions. Are you hiring Road and Track? Because you need someone who can do better than this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/voices/heres-why-a-turbo-base-model-porsche-911-doesnt-make-any-sense?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83322817
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    08-27-2014, 01:45 AM
    Mercedes-Benz seems to just want to mess with its model naming conventions just because they can. What was the ML-Class became the M-Class and now the M-Class in turn become the GLE-Class when it receives a facelift during 2015. Now Car and Driver reports that the GLE will also be offered as a coupe which has been reported as the MLC up until now. This seems confusing but Mercedes is attempting to make things easier for the consumer. Why changing everything up is going to make everything easier is anyone's guess. Mercedes is going to apply to their SUV's what they already applied to the S-Class coupe when the CL-Class was discontinued. The same exact thing took place with the CLK and E-Class coupe. So, say goodbye to the M-Class. Say hello to the GLE-Class and further naming changes for the sake of change. Source
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    08-28-2014, 11:43 PM
    The new Lamborghini Huracan is a sexy piece of machinery. What if we told you its performance is even better than the looks? The Huracan is very fast. Faster than even its big brother the Aventador if going by Car and Driver's test figures. The results are simply eye opening. How about 0-60 in 2.5 seconds? 0-100 in 5.7 seconds. It goes through the 1/4 mile at 10.4 @ 135. Absurdly quick numbers and roughly on par with a McLaren MP4-12C and maybe even the 650S. How does this compare to the big brother Aventador? Car and Driver recorded 0-60 for the Aventador in 3.0 seconds. 0-100 in 6.4 seconds. The 1/4 mile test number is 10.9 @ 133. The Aventador of course is heavier at 4085 pounds than the 3423 pound Huracan. It also handles better thanks partially to the curb weight advantage and smaller proportions. Just like the Gallardo LP560 and Murcielago LP640 the little brother Lambo is more than capable of running with the more expensive big brother. On the roadcourse, the cheaper car is actually the better performance choice. It is hard to argue against the Huracan for driving pleasure. The Aventador of course offers things beyond performance. Still, the Huracan impresses and hopefully we will see a comparison between the Aventador and Huracan recorded at the same time and same place. Test sheets for both cars from Car and Driver below.
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    08-29-2014, 08:22 PM
    They sure don't handle like my z06, but as long as you don't nail it and try to turn, they track pretty well. It's kind of hard to describe and not what I expected but up to around 75/80% of max it's stable, predictable, and controllable. Above that and it's too hairy for me to want to risk it. I'm running the 100 octane tune right now on mine and its a perm-smile experience. A legit anytime mid 10 second car that never spins the tires is a thing to experience.
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    08-29-2014, 07:21 PM
    What I mean is, that much power is going to move 4500 pounds very quickly. The Huracan seems to be about 3400 pounds, so the weight difference is about 1100 pounds. So, power to weight ratio favors the AMG, and by about what you'd expect given the gap in the video. Is it realistic for a car this powerful to trap 140 or damn near? Not sure.
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    08-29-2014, 07:15 PM
    I don't see how it is overwhelming. I think the car wouldn't have trouble making use of another 500+ horsepower. Considering how this blasts the Huracan away it really puts it into perspective. Either the Huracan is not trapping 135 (which I think is likely) or this car is trapping over 140.
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    08-29-2014, 07:14 PM
    And then a corner happened and the RS 7 understeered into a tree while heaving over onto its door handles. One just drove past me, gorgeous car. But I would never buy one.
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    08-29-2014, 07:06 PM
    If it's making 850+ hp, it's gotta be close to 1000 pound feet too. At some point...that kind of power is just overwhelming. That's almost 250 hp more than the Huracan, and like double the torque. Gearbox isn't as good but still shifts fast. Since both have AWD and fat tires...it makes sense...but it still blows your mind to see this. And holy hell, those test numbers for the Huracan are insane. They really killed it.
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