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  • richpike's Avatar
    09-09-2016, 12:43 AM
    Car & Driver's 2016 Lightning Lap at VIR. Lots of super interesting results. Winners: Grand Sport is moving. GT350R is crushing it, especially for the price. Camaro 1LE is amazing for the price. Losers (IMO): M4 GTS - beat the 1LE, but still soundly beat by the GT350R R8 V10 Plus - I guess I expected more Hellcat is not a dancer (but I still want one :lol:) 2:44.2 2016 Dodge Viper ACR 2:45.1 2016 Ferrari 488GTB 2:47.0 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:47.1 2017 Corvette Grand Sport 2:47.4 2016 McLaren 570S 2:50.2 2017 Acura NSX 2:51.8 2016 Mustang GT350R 2:52.9 2017 BMW //M4 GTS 2:54.0 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4 2:54.8 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V8 1LE 2:56.1 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus 3:01.9 2016 BMW //M2 3:03.5 2016 Dodge Charger Hellcat 3:03.9 2016 Focus RS 3:04.0 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE 3:05.9 2016 Lexus GS-F 3:07.7 2016 Audi TTS Historical data: -Rich
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    09-08-2016, 12:40 PM
    $134,200 for a performance car with an emphasis on track performance better result in impressive track performance. The M4 GTS makes a big statement with its MSRP but does not back it up where it matters. As a matter of fact, the Ford Mustang GT350R and the Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE both top it around Laguna Seca. This measured result is from MotorTrend's own testing. The M4 GTS laps Laguna Seca in 1:37.66. The Shelby Mustang GT350R is 1.6 seconds quicker. That is an eternity. It's long enough to do the math as to how much money someone buying a Shelby GT350R at $62,070 saved over an M4 GTS. What makes this truly spectacular is not only is the Mustang half the price it has a naturally aspirated high revving engine. Ford is beating BMW at their own game with a hand tied behind their back. Honestly, as a BMW M fan forced to sit back and watch the as M division chokes from spending so much time sniffing their own farts this is highly satisfying. Is it a wake up call to BMW? It should be considering that not only did the M4 GTS get obliterated by the Shelby GT350R the $44k Camaro SS 1LE edged the M4 GTS as well. What is the 1LE? Just an option package for the Camaro: Camaro SS 1LE Highlights 6.2L LT1 V8 rated at 455 horsepower, and 6-speed manual transmission (automatic transmission not available) Magnetic Ride Control Segment-exclusive electronic limited-slip differential with 3.73 ratio Unique forged-aluminum wheels with 285/30ZR20 front tires and 305/30ZR20 rear tires Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires with a compound and construction developed exclusively for Camaro Brembo brakes with new 6-piston monobloc front red calipers and 2-piece rotors Track cooling package with engine oil, differential and transmission coolers Suede steering wheel with shorter-throw shifter Dual-mode exhaust system RECARO front seats with aggressive bolsters optimized for shifting and steering comfort Satin black hood, front mirrors and unique 3-piece rear spoiler Available Performance Data Recorder What is the point of a $135k+ M car built for the track that can not top anyone in its price range let alone cars at a fraction of the cost? The M4 GTS does not need to be a world beater (like the cheaper Viper ACR) but it needs to be better than this to be taken seriously. Does anyone even take the M division seriously anymore? We will have the full results when MotorTrend posts their 2016 Best Driver's Car videos but it's clear that not only does the M4 GTS not live up to the hype, it's an abject failure.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    09-21-2016, 08:34 PM
    There is no stopping the Viper ACR. It is a track animal bent on destroying whatever dares come across its path. The M4 GTS? The Shelby GT350R? The Porsche 911 Carrera S? The new Acura NSX? The McLaren 570S? All simply lambs led to the slaughter. Emphasis on slaughter. Just look at what the Viper ACR did around Laguna Seca in the hands on Randy Pobst: 1. Dodge Viper ACR - 1:31.58 2. Audi R8 V10 Plus - 1:34.23 3. McLaren 570S - 1:34.58 4. Mercedes-AMG GT S - 1:35.30 5. Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R - 1:36.11 6. Acura NSX - 1:36.36 7. Porsche 911 Carrera S - 1:36.44 8. Nissan GT-R - 1:37.08 9. BMW M4 GTS - 1:37.66 10. Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE - 1:37.78 11. Jaguar F-Type SVR - 1:38.75 12. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S - 1:41.77 It is almost a full three seconds faster than the next car up which is the Audi R8 V10 Plus. That is a beatdown. The Viper ACR is just on another level and it's amazing this car does not get more respect. Now, it is interesting to contrast MotorTrend's results at Laguna Seca to Car and Driver's results at VIR (Virginia International Raceway). The R8 V10 showed very weakly in Car and Driver's hands yet it is the second quickest car here with Randy Pobst at the wheel. When we say Car and Driver's hands we mean their staff who simply is not on Randy's level when it comes to driving prowess. Car and Driver's Lightning Lap is a good comparison but it is not as scientific as MotorTrend's (which also isn't perfect) due to taking place on multiple days with multiple drivers. MotorTrend uses Pobst at Laguna Seca with the cars running on the same day. That is a big difference. As is the fact VIR rewards power in the lap time more than the shorter and tighter Laguna Seca. What do we learn? That the M4 GTS get its ass handed to it by the Mustang GT350R yet again. It loses at VIR, it loses at Laguna Seca, and it is simply safe to say the GT350R is the superior track performer anywhere. Yes, at a fraction of the price. When you bring the M4 GTS asking price into the argument the car looks like a joke. Is its laptime respectable? Sure, if beating a Camaro SS that comes in at less than 1/3 of the money by a tenth of a second is respectable. The AMG GT S is cheaper, the 911 Carrera S is cheaper, the Nissan GT-R is cheaper, the Mustang GT350R is cheaper, and the Viper ACR is cheaper. What do they all have in common? They are all better performance cars than the M4 GTS. The Mercedes-AMG GT S deserves honorable mention beating the stout GT350R as well as the incredible new Porsche 911 Carrera S. Considering the GT S is not even anywhere near as hardcore as the GT model line gets, that is impressive. Enjoy the videos of the laps below with impressions from Pobst. The winner of the competition will be announced shortly. If we were to guess, the Carrera S is the favorite.
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  • rawad1017's Avatar
    09-10-2016, 12:09 PM
    Not bad for stock turbos lol whole summer of ass whoopings. There is money to be made when you have a low 12 car that looks the way this thing looks Back when it was a 12.5 car After the fuel it upgrade
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  • Enfiftyfore's Avatar
    09-01-2016, 07:53 AM
    Peep dis http://gtspeed.us/2016/08/31/bosch-to-offer-water-injection-system-used-in-m4-gts-to-other-automakers/
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