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    Today, 10:18 PM
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    Today, 10:05 PM
    What are the chances of some of these tats will end up on "Tattoo Nightmares"? How would you like the challenge of transforming some of these tats into something else?
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  • C///M's Avatar
    Today, 09:55 PM
    I don't know, I get your point, but I never read comparisons based on over/underrated figures from the big mags. They always use manufacturer numbers, I kind of feel like they have to. Their audience goes beyond the more hardcore enthusiasts. He should have just said "on paper, the caddy is more powerful" so he could stick with the stated numbers, but appease any other concerns.
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  • berns's Avatar
    Today, 08:54 PM
    I think we both agree with each other, I hear you on all of that. It did go in a juvenile direction when it didn't need to. Cheers, dude.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 08:50 PM
    As stated I have nothing against the guy. I don't know the guy. All I know is he works professionally with cars and so do I. The problem I have is him telling me to check my facts when he does not get his own facts correct. I can understand him not writing for a more informed audience, catering to a more casual fan, etc. That does not excuse mistakes and it certainly does not excuse his response. He could have easily stated, 'You know what, you're right, I should maybe do some more detailed research next time.' Instead he got defensive and dismissive. Nobody is perfect, you're right, but in this instance he is blatantly wrong based on the facts. That is what bothers me when he says to check the facts. His response was immature. Not my calling his published work into question when it is so blatantly off to a point it makes one wonder what if any research actually takes place.
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    Today, 08:50 PM
    Welcome cfelectro1, take a look around, I think you will like what you see.
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  • berns's Avatar
    Today, 08:41 PM
    I know Jonny personally. He's a good dude, and a normal dude, like you, or me, or anyone into cars. We all fuck up from time to time. Sure, as a journalist there is a responsibility to be honest, educated and factual, but that doesn't always transcend to scouring tuner forums, and more so, it doesn't mean he will start claiming the M3 at 488.75hp after factoring in a 15% drivetrain loss from the 425whp dyno you showed him online, just because it's underrated. I do think a back to back dyno would have been beneficial to the cause, but the point of the story was not to point out which car is underrated and which isn't, it was to choose a winner based on performance data, road prowess and driving pleasure. I've been an editor and photographer for auto mags for the last six years, and let me tell you, the amount you may know about AMG motor variances and BMW compression ratios is just a teaspoon of what you need when your bread and butter is literally, everything with wheels. In fact, even on staff as an editor, at least when there were still budgets and print was beautiful, one young guys job was always the Fact Checker. When I first started out I had to run through articles with a highlighter to double and triple check every single fact. To that, though, Lieberman was spot on with his 425hp, because that's what the car is rated at. Think you enjoyed being "right" a bit too much, here, and you could have probably gone about making your claim in a more mature way. Carry on :music-rockout:
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 08:15 PM
    Jonny Lieberman works for MotorTrend and you probably have seen him in the Head 2 Head episodes. BimmerBoost has nothing against him although we wonder how someone gets a job with MotorTrend when they make basic mistakes. Liberman's job is to know about the cars he is talking about. Which is why BimmerBoost made it a point to explain that in the latest Head 2 Head where he states the ATS-V is more powerful than the F80 M3 because the M3 has 'only' 425 horsepower Liberman and MotorTrend are wrong. Very wrong. Absurdly wrong. Embarrassingly wrong. The F80 M3 and the F82 M4 are severely underrated. The car makes much more than its 425 horsepower crank rating. Frankly, it is closer to a wheel horsepower rating than a crank horsepower rating. One should assume this simply by juxtaposing the acceleration figures of the F80 M3 and E90 M3. The difference is not 11 horses. MotorTrend's own test figures prove that. The F80 M3 is insanely underrated. Now we have dyno results showing 427 horsepower to the wheels for the F80 M3. We have stock 1/4 mile times showing 11.9 @ 119. Liberman claims to be aware of the M3 being underrated but when asked for proof provided nothing to support this. Additionally, he does not mention the M3 is underrated in the Head 2 Head video. He states the ATS-V is more powerful. He also on Twitter states his support for this as the ATS-V being quicker despite being heavier. While the ATS-V does indeed get a 12.1 second elapsed time as tested by MotorTrend the F80 M3 gets a 12.3 @ 118.1 miles per hour. The ATS-V hits 12.1 at a slower 116.2. The only thing Liberman gets right here is that the ATS-V is quicker but it is not faster. Trap speed is primarily a product of power. MotorTrend's own numbers and Liberman's own statement support BimmerBoost. Point easily proven without even having to show the dyno numbers. Not to mention, the guy should probably know that a RWD car with a ton of torque that traps higher will improve its elapsed time with better traction off the line. That means the M3 with drag radials can be a hell of a lot quicker. Perhaps MotorTrend just doesn't know how to launch as well. Liberman goes on to state I need to check my facts. The same man who called the new S65 AMG V12 an M275 model despite it being the updated M279 V12 variant from AMG. He conveniently ignores this point. One who does not get their own facts correct should not be telling others to check theirs. Liberman and MotorTrend need to check their own facts. Rather than lobbing insults for getting called on their mistakes, they should correct them. There is no shame in being wrong. There is a bit of shame in a 'kid' knowing the facts better than the professional though, right? Liberman, if you ever want to engage in a debate with me feel free. Based on what I have seen so far it will be one-sided. Whenever you want to, I'm right here. MotorTrend, when you are ready to hire someone who checks their facts, let me know.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 08:10 PM
    Jonny Lieberman works for MotorTrend and you probably have seen him in the Head 2 Head episodes. BimmerBoost has nothing against him although we wonder how someone gets a job with MotorTrend when they make basic mistakes. Liberman's job is to know about the cars he is talking about. Which is why BimmerBoost made it a point to explain that in the latest Head 2 Head where he states the ATS-V is more powerful than the F80 M3 because the M3 has 'only' 425 horsepower Liberman and MotorTrend are wrong. Very wrong. Absurdly wrong. Embarrassingly wrong. The F80 M3 and the F82 M4 are severely underrated. The car makes much more than its 425 horsepower crank rating. Frankly, it is closer to a wheel horsepower rating than a crank horsepower rating. One should assume this simply by juxtaposing the acceleration figures of the F80 M3 and E90 M3. The difference is not 11 horses. MotorTrend's own test figures prove that. The F80 M3 is insanely underrated. Now we have dyno results showing 427 horsepower to the wheels for the F80 M3. We have stock 1/4 mile times showing 11.9 @ 119. Liberman claims to be aware of the M3 being underrated but when asked for proof provided nothing to support this. Additionally, he does not mention the M3 is underrated in the Head 2 Head video. He states the ATS-V is more powerful. He also on Twitter states his support for this as the ATS-V being quicker despite being heavier. While the ATS-V does indeed get a 12.1 second elapsed time as tested by MotorTrend the F80 M3 gets a 12.3 @ 118.1 miles per hour. The ATS-V hits 12.1 at a slower 116.2. The only thing Liberman gets right here is that the ATS-V is quicker but it is not faster. Trap speed is primarily a product of power. MotorTrend's own numbers and Liberman's own statement support BimmerBoost. Point easily proven without even having to show the dyno numbers. Not to mention, the guy should probably know that a RWD car with a ton of torque that traps higher will improve its elapsed time with better traction off the line. That means the M3 with drag radials can be a hell of a lot quicker. Perhaps MotorTrend just doesn't know how to launch as well. Liberman goes on to state I need to check my facts. The same man who called the new S65 AMG V12 an M275 model despite it being the updated M279 V12 variant from AMG. He conveniently ignores this point. One who does not get their own facts correct should not be telling others to check theirs. Liberman and MotorTrend need to check their own facts. Rather than lobbing insults for getting called on their mistakes, they should correct them. There is no shame in being wrong. There is a bit of shame in a 'kid' knowing the facts better than the professional though, right? Liberman, if you ever want to engage in a debate with me feel free. Based on what I have seen so far it will be one-sided. Whenever you want to, I'm right here. MotorTrend, when you are ready to hire someone who checks their facts, let me know.
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    Today, 07:18 PM
    mrawp1, we appreciate you taking the time to join.
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    Today, 05:51 PM
    Welcome Jason B, take a look around, I think you will like what you see.
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  • Aaron's Avatar
    Today, 05:38 PM
    I wish I could afford titanium for my car haha. Titanium systems for bikes are very common though, and can be had for sub 2,000 on an inline 4. All things considered that's not bad. But the car has substantially more, and bigger, piping.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 05:24 PM
    It doesn't have to be two cars, why? It's just the name of the video. They have done multiple cars before: What upsets me is that if you are going to make this class of comparison include the M3 and the numbers for it if you are talking about it and you already have them. They did leave it out. Head 2 Head can mean the cars in that class going head to head, right? Why limit yourself? It's lame as stated.
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  • BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
    Today, 05:01 PM
    Sticky, they didn't leave the M3 out. It was included in the three car comparo. Head to head videos are always two cars. They used the ATS-V and C63S from the three car comparo, to make this head to head. That is why the numbers are exactly the same as the comparo with the M3. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1507_bmw_m3_vs_cadillac_ats_v_sedan_vs_mercedes_amg_c63_s_comparison/viewall.html It isn't...head to head to head.
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    Today, 04:19 PM
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