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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:07 PM
    The BMW F80 M3 is the worst of this trio? That is what MotorTrend thinks which is in stark contrast to Car and Driver who picks the M3 over the other two. Car and Driver also though the ATS-V belonged in last place whereas MotorTrend puts it in the middle and behind the comparison winner which is the new Mercedes-AMG C63 S. Here is how they stacked up: 3rd Place: BMW M3 It's cliché to say, but this is the best third-place finisher in Motor Trend history. C'est la vie. 2nd Place: Cadillac ATS-V
 This stud athlete is let down by its lack of powertrain refinement and sonic thrills. Cadillac has very little tweaking to do to get things right. 1st Place: Mercedes-Benz C63 S AMG 
 An iron fist in a velvet glove. Race mode transforms the beast into an iron fist in an iron glove. Lap times: Caddy ATS-V 1:31.43 C63 1:31.52 BMW M3 1:32.51 How the M3 finishes behind the other two on the track is a head scratcher. The M3 is a full second behind the other two? Huh? It is the lightest car with the best balance. At 3498 pounds it undercuts the ATS-V by 286 pounds and the C63 AMG S by 434 pounds. The C63 AMG S weight distribution is 54/46% front to back and the ATS-V is 52/48%. The M3 is stated to be 50/50 in this test. The ATS-V is not beating the M3 around the track based on power or being lighter. It is tested as the slowest of this trio which is in stark contrast to Car and Driver's absurdly fast numbers for the automatic ATS-V. MotorTrend previously tested the automatic ATS-V and got a 12.3 @ 114.6 out of in the 1/4 mile. Now in this comparison they get a 12.1 @ 116.2. Quicker and faster yet still nowhere near Car and Driver's ATS-V tester which now looks like a ringer. We can not make sense of the acceleration numbers for the ATS-V as they are all over the place but the M3 and C63 appear to be exactly where they should be. The C63 AMG S is shown to be the fastest of the trio yet it was the slowest in the Car and Driver test. Seriously, what the hell is going on? The acceleration numbers here at least do not look suspect as the C63 AMG S should be faster than the M3 which it is. The wild card is really the ATS-V but it is performing more like the early reports showing trap speeds in the 115 miles per hour range than the outlier of 122. A spread of over 7 miles per hour is at least a difference of 70 wheel horsepower. It is also interesting to note all three get to 100 in 8.8 seconds but the ATS-V seems to start to run out of steam above 100 miles per hour. Ok, enough about potential ringers and testing anomalies. The main thing here is the stunning last place finish for the M3. The ATS-V is said to feel sportier and the C63 AMG S is said to be the best all around package. How the lightest and best balanced car here loses and posts such a poor laptime we can not explain. The ATS-V posting the quickest laptime considering its figure eight advantage and best braking performance makes sense but the C63 beating the M3 here does not considering other track tests have shown the opposite. An interesting test to say the least. Let the debate over the results begin. 2015 BMW M3 2016 Cadillac ATS-V Sedan 2015 Mercedes-AMG C63 S POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front-engine, RWD Front-engine, RWD Front-engine, RWD ENGINE TYPE Twin-turbo I-6 alum block/head Twin-turbo 60-deg V-6 alum block/heads Twin-turbo 90-deg V-8, alum block/heads VALVETRAIN DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DISPLACEMENT 181.8 cu in/2,979 cc 217.5 cu in/3,564 cc 243.0 cu in/3,982 cc COMPRESSION RATIO 10.2:1 10.2:1 10.5:1 POWER (SAE NET) 425 hp @ 5,500 rpm 464 hp @ 5,850 rpm* 503 hp @ 5,500 rpm TORQUE (SAE NET) 406 lb-ft @ 1,850 rpm 445 lb-ft @ 3,500 rpm* 516 lb-ft @ 1,750 rpm REDLINE 7,500 rpm 6,500 rpm 7,000 rpm WEIGHT TO POWER 8.2 lb/hp 8.2 lb/hp 7.8 lb/hp TRANSMISSION 7-speed twin-clutch auto. 8-speed automatic 7-speed automatic AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIO 3.46:1/2.32:1 2.85:1/1.85:1 2.82:1/2.06:1 SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Struts, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar Struts, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar Multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar STEERING RATIO 15.0:1 15.5:1-11.1:1 14.1:1 TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.5 2.4 2.5 BRAKES, F;R 15.8-in vented carbon-ceramic disc; 15.0-in, vented carbon-ceramic disc, ABS 14.5-in vented disc; 13.3-in vented disc, ABS 15.8-in vented, drilled carbon-ceramic disc; 14.2-in vented, drilled carbon-ceramic disc, ABS WHEELS, F;R 9.0 x 19-in; 10.0 x 19, forged aluminum 9.0 x 18-in; 9.5 x 18-in, forged aluminum 8.5 x 19-in; 9.5 x 19-in, cast aluminum TIRES, F;R 255/35ZR19 92Y; 275/35ZR19 100Y Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35ZR18 94Y; 275/35ZR18 99Y Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/35ZR19 93Y; 265/35ZR19 98Y Michelin Pilot Super Sport DIMENSIONS WHEELBASE 110.7 in 109.3 in 111.8 in TRACK, F/R 62.2/63.1 in 60.5/60.4 in 63.3/60.9 in LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 184.5 x 73.9 x 56.1 in 184.0 x 71.3 x 55.7 in 187.2 x 72.4 x 56.1 in TURNING CIRCLE 40.0 ft 38.4 ft 37.0 ft CURB WEIGHT 3,498 lb 3,788 lb 3,936 lb WEIGHT DIST., F/R 50/50 % 52/48 % 54/46 % SEATING CAPACITY 5 5 5 HEADROOM, F/R 40.3/37.7 in 37.6/35.1 in 37.1/37.1 in LEGROOM, F/R 42.0/35.1 in 42.3/33.5 in 41.7/35.2 in SHOULDER ROOM, F/R 55.1/55.1 in 54.1/51.1 in 54.0/50.3 in CARGO VOLUME 12.0 cu ft 10.4 cu ft 12.6 cu ft TEST DATA ACCELERATION TO MPH 0-30 1.8 sec 1.5 sec 1.8 sec 0-40 2.5 2.2 2.5 0-50 3.2 2.9 3.2 0-60 4.0 3.7 4.0 0-70 5.0 4.7 5.0 0-80 6.1 5.8 6.1 0-90 7.4 7.1 7.3 0-100 8.8 8.8 8.8 PASSING, 45-65 MPH 1.7 1.7 1.6 QUARTER MILE 12.3 sec @ 118.1 mph 12.1 sec @ 116.2 mph 12.2 sec @ 119.5 mph BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 104 ft 99 ft 101 ft LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.01 g (avg) 1.03 g (avg) 1.01 g (avg) MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.1 sec @ 0.86 g (avg) 23.7 sec @ 0.88 g (avg) 24.1 sec @ 0.86 g (avg) 2.41-MI ROAD COURSE LAP 92.51 sec 91.43 sec 91.52 sec TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1,750 rpm 1,450 rpm 1,600 rpm CONSUMER INFO BASE PRICE $62,995 $61,460 $72,825 PRICE AS TESTED $84,370 $73,570 $89,035 STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL Yes/Yes Yes/Yes Yes/Yes AIRBAGS Dual front, front side, f/r curtain, driver knee Dual front, f/r side, f/r curtain, front knee Dual front, front side, front pelvic, f/r curtain, driver knee BASIC WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 miles 4 yrs/50,000 miles 4 yrs/50,000 miles POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 miles 6 yrs/70,000 miles 4 yrs/50,000 miles ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE 4 yrs/Unlimited 6 yrs/70,000 miles Unlimited FUEL CAPACITY 15.8 gal 16.0 gal 17.4 gal EPA CITY/HWY/COMB ECON 17/24/19 mpg 16/24/19 mpg 18/25/20 mpg ENERGY CONS., CITY/HWY 198/140 kW-hrs/100 miles 211/140 kW-hrs/100 miles 187/135 kW-hrs/100 miles CO2 EMISSIONS, COMB 0.99 lb/mile 1.03 lb/mile 0.94 lb/mile REAL MPG, CITY/HWY/COMB Not available 17.6/24.2/20.1 mpg 17.6/22.8/19.6 mpg RECOMMENDED FUEL Unleaded premium Unleaded premium Unleaded premium *SAE Certified
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:07 PM
    I've always liked these things but now with factory turbo motors they are becoming insane. 144 horses, badass:
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    Today, 10:42 AM
    Here are some videos of my buddy doing half-mile runs with other fast rides.
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    Today, 10:36 AM
    Second Track day with the Cayman GTS. See video details for info. Car was a lot slower with tires being heat cycled. I was 3 seconds off my best lap last time out. Me My brother Some additional videos on my channel as well from the day.
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