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    Yesterday, 08:41 PM
    This race is simply a beatdown. To those that know the cars it should not be all that surprising. Both cars feature tunes from PP-Performance. The C63 AMG Black Series M156 engine is already in a high state of tune from the factory. As the 6.2 liter M156 engine is naturally aspirated and tuned aggressively by AMG there is not much room to gain power on the car. Certainly not as much room to gain with a tune as there is with the turbocharged M4. The cars put out very similar wheel horsepower figures in stock form as the C63 AMG Black Series shows ~430 wheel horsepower on a Dynojet. With a tune this can approach the 460 wheel horsepower range depending on how aggressive the timing is and the fuel quality. The stock torque figure is roughly ~405 lb-ft of torque at the wheels whereas the S55 in the M3/M4 shows 429 lb-ft of wheel torque stock. Once tuned, even with a modest tune, the M4 exceeds the C63 Black Series. Horsepower rises to over 479 at the wheels and torque at the wheels goes to 484 lb-ft. Combine the power and torque advantage with a quicker shifting dual clutch transmission and the M4's roughly 400 pound lighter curb weight and you get the result you see here. Not to mention the C63 AMG Black Series aerodynamics also create more drag. The M4 continues to pull impressively to 175 miles per hour and the C63 AMG Black Series is too far back to even be seen. AMG fans will no doubt be quick to point out that if you boost the C63 AMG Black Series things change in the other direction.
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    Yesterday, 08:38 PM
    This race is simply a beatdown. To those that know the cars it should not be all that surprising. Both cars feature tunes from PP-Performance. The C63 AMG Black Series M156 engine is already in a high state of tune from the factory. As the 6.2 liter M156 engine is naturally aspirated and tuned aggressively by AMG there is not much room to gain power on the car. Certainly not as much room to gain with a tune as there is with the turbocharged M4. The cars put out very similar wheel horsepower figures in stock form as the C63 AMG Black Series shows ~430 wheel horsepower on a Dynojet. With a tune this can approach the 460 wheel horsepower range depending on how aggressive the timing is and the fuel quality. The stock torque figure is roughly ~405 lb-ft of torque at the wheels whereas the S55 in the M3/M4 shows 429 lb-ft of wheel torque stock. Once tuned, even with a modest tune, the M4 exceeds the C63 Black Series. Horsepower rises to over 479 at the wheels and torque at the wheels goes to 484 lb-ft. Combine the power and torque advantage with a quicker shifting dual clutch transmission and the M4's roughly 400 pound lighter curb weight and you get the result you see here. Not to mention the C63 AMG Black Series aerodynamics also create more drag. The M4 continues to pull impressively to 175 miles per hour and the C63 AMG Black Series is too far back to even be seen. AMG fans will no doubt be quick to point out that if you boost the C63 AMG Black Series things change in the other direction.
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    Yesterday, 07:54 PM
    It is always amusing when the 'professionals' get things wrong. Road and Track has been around for quite a while and usually does good work. Their latest article on the rumored turbocharged 991.2 facelift (or 992 successor) not making sense is not their best work. Their 'senior editor' Jason Cammisa states that displacement is not the enemy as his argument against turbocharging the base 911 model. He is wrong as displacement is the enemy in the 911. Cammisa uses the 6.2 liter V8 LT4 from the C7 Corvette as evidence of a motor not needing to be turbocharged. He is partially correct here as an engine does not need to be turbocharged to offer good performance or good fuel economy especially with high compression direct injection motors these days. However, the only reason the LT4 works so well in the C7 Corvette is due to its displacement. It can run in four cylinder mode to save fuel because it is a 6.2 liter V8. Cutting a 3.4 liter 911 flat-6 in half to save fuel will not offer the same torque or power as the LT4 when it is running on half its cylinders. Turbocharging will eventually be used throughout the entire Porsche model lineup (with the GT3 likely the only exception). Porsche is not going to cram a big V8 under the hood of the 911 or Cayman. We know a new family of boxer turbocharged four-cylinder motors are coming and will be used in the Cayman and Boxster. It is just a matter of time before the 911 lineup becomes turbocharged as well likely using this same engine family. The article by Road and Track's Jason Cammisa can hardly be called an article. It's garbage. The Porsche flat-6 in naturally aspirated form can not be pushed much further. Displacement actually is the enemy. What are they supposed to do exactly? The GT3 already shows the limits of the engine in street trim. Porsche can probably take it to 4.0 liters, maybe 4.2, and that is it. What is next? 10,000 rpm (and greater reliability issues) redlines? That is not going to help fuel economy as if it did BMW M would still be using their high revving naturally aspirated motors instead of going the turbocharged route. High revving motors do consume more fuel than their turbocharged lower displacement counterparts despite Cammisa's claim this is not true based on nothing more than his opinion. Additionally, he states the 911 is the not the problem but that instead Porsche's sedans and SUV's need to become more fuel efficient. Um, Jason, did you happen to notice that the Panamera S ditched its V8 for a turbo V6 and the Cayenne S is doing the same thing? They gain torque, power, and efficiency by doing so. How have you missed this? The 911 is not a Corvette. It does not have a big V8 that can comfortably offer enough torque to keep revs low or move the car relatively easily when running on half the cylinders. Applying the GM LT4 V8 to the 911 lineup does not make sense with the current flat-6 architecture. These are completely different cars with completely different motors. Cammisa concludes his article stating that the 3.8 liter flat-6 engine of the 991 Carrera S gets 1 MPG better than the LT4 in the Corvette. Would it get that 1 MPG better than the Corvette if it had the same output? Illogical comparisons make for illogical conclusions. Are you hiring Road and Track? Because you need someone who can do better than this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/voices/heres-why-a-turbo-base-model-porsche-911-doesnt-make-any-sense?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_83322817
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    Today, 03:33 AM
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    Today, 09:16 AM
    Welcome to a real enthusiast forum AYork.
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  • Mthis's Avatar
    Today, 02:14 AM
    My nos set up from Oetuning build by maxpsi. c63 LTH full exhaust custom tuning. 75 shot . here a picture of the work done by maxpsi, thanks to mike and the crew for making the kit work. car on the Dyno. without nos with nos dyno graphs sae 90tq gains 73rw
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    Yesterday, 11:26 PM
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    Today, 12:24 PM
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    Yesterday, 11:43 PM
    The new Lamborghini Huracan is a sexy piece of machinery. What if we told you its performance is even better than the looks? The Huracan is very fast. Faster than even its big brother the Aventador if going by Car and Driver's test figures. The results are simply eye opening. How about 0-60 in 2.5 seconds? 0-100 in 5.7 seconds. It goes through the 1/4 mile at 10.4 @ 135. Absurdly quick numbers and roughly on par with a McLaren MP4-12C and maybe even the 650S. How does this compare to the big brother Aventador? Car and Driver recorded 0-60 for the Aventador in 3.0 seconds. 0-100 in 6.4 seconds. The 1/4 mile test number is 10.9 @ 133. The Aventador of course is heavier at 4085 pounds than the 3423 pound Huracan. It also handles better thanks partially to the curb weight advantage and smaller proportions. Just like the Gallardo LP560 and Murcielago LP640 the little brother Lambo is more than capable of running with the more expensive big brother. On the roadcourse, the cheaper car is actually the better performance choice. It is hard to argue against the Huracan for driving pleasure. The Aventador of course offers things beyond performance. Still, the Huracan impresses and hopefully we will see a comparison between the Aventador and Huracan recorded at the same time and same place. Test sheets for both cars from Car and Driver below.
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    Today, 09:25 AM
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    Yesterday, 07:57 PM
    Welcome Verauoka, take a look around, I think you will like what you see.
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    Today, 04:07 PM
    Welcome to a real enthusiast forum Victor Ramos.
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    Welcome Jeanpaul, take a look around, I think you will like what you see.
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    Today, 05:36 PM
    In there like swimwear mang. Stoked for the draft, just did my other league a few days ago. Team came out 'meh'.
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